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Woooooot new stuff *56k make a sammich*

Finally got my new rear struts today after much procrastination...and i found some coil spring helpers on the shelf at work too. damn things have been sitting there for years, so my boss just said to take them no charge. sweet. anyway heres pictures, anyone know if i should put those helpers on in a different way to make it stiffer or does that look ok?

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3342/struts0vm.jpg

KYB GR-2 struts, $40 a piece

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5861/helpers3yy.jpg

MOOG Coil-lifts, free for me 8)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/229...draised8rj.jpg

There they are in there, car still in the air

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9...dropped1vl.jpg

Thats with the car on the ground

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4503/before2pf.jpg

Before (only one side done)

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/44/after1ul.jpg

After (still only one side done)

The suspension feels noticeably tighter in the rear both when driving and when i just push down on it. Any ideas for improvement? i can move the pieces anywhere around the spring so if theyd be better in a different place, let me know. i know nothing of suspensions

are you using those spacers because your rear springs are worn out or because you want to lift it up? i learned in my steering and suspension class that there are two things a should never, ever do to automotive suspension springs. one is cut them and the other is to use spacers. of course there are plenty of smacks that will say i cut mine no problem, i used spacers and they work great. yes it can be done but shouldnt be. when you cut a coil spring you change the spring rate, the properties of teh spring and if you dont recover with polymer paint, will expose the spring to rust and that is bad. as for the spacers, they cause stress points at specific spots on the spring and that isnt good either. wherever the spacer touches the spring, that area will receive more stress and wear than the rest of the spring and could eventually fail (ie. break). they should be used temporarily at best, there like spare tires.

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Originally Posted by coldkilla

are you using those spacers because your rear springs are worn out or because you want to lift it up? Â*i learned in my steering and suspension class that there are two things a should never, ever do to automotive suspension springs. Â*one is cut them and the other is to use spacers. Â*of course there are plenty of smacks that will say i cut mine no problem, i used spacers and they work great. Â*yes it can be done but shouldnt be. Â*when you cut a coil spring you change the spring rate, the properties of teh spring and if you dont recover with polymer paint, will expose the spring to rust and that is bad. Â*as for the spacers, they cause stress points at specific spots on the spring and that isnt good either. Â*wherever the spacer touches the spring, that area will receive more stress and wear than the rest of the spring and could eventually fail (ie. break). Â*they should be used temporarily at best, there like spare tires.

well put, but you forgot one other thing you should never do to springs....heat them up. A lot of people torch their springs to lower their car. It messes up the rate and it also makes the spring metal much weaker and more prone to failure.

However, he is just trying to get his car to hook up better as cost effectively as possible. I doubt he'll run around with those things in place all the time...at least I hope he wont. :lol:

i dont get it, you raised your car? why? most people try to lower it, i must be missing something :shrug:

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i dont get it, you raised your car? why? most people try to lower it, i must be missing something :shrug:

lowering springs = ~$180

Me = poor

rear springs stiffer = better traction off the line on a FWD car

cheap = win

It actually leveled out the car, the rear sagged. Most GP's do sag in the rear.

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i dont get it, you raised your car? why? most people try to lower it, i must be missing something :shrug:

remeber, his car is wrong wheel drive. he has to do everything wrong to get it to hook right :P

later
tim

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we'll see whos laughing when i beat you at island

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Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

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we'll see whos laughing when i beat you at island

I'll do everything in my power to keep that from happening :)

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I'll do everything in my power to keep that from happening :)

Are you buying Kasey a converter and DRs? :lol:

- Justin

they ran the same trap speed & I'll be there with my stuff so should be able to tweak his timing a bit more :) if he can somehow hook he'll give a good fight.

he might be able to beat me if my trans decides to slip in the top of first....it does that from time to time :lol:

some day ill come up with money for a new trans

the 16th will be a fun day :redblob:

If think about what you said about those spring helpers sitting on the shelf for years....guess the reason why ?[/list][/quote]