I hate peopel that dont know what they are talking about.

[Blacdout96]

So im cruising youtube, and come across a vid of a Skyline with a LS1 in it, and of course all the nay sayers of the import world come out bashing it, but one person kinda got ot me here's what he said:

This Jerkoff: the LS1 isn't a superior motor - it's old technology. It is a good motor, but definitely not superior. If you believe it is superior, then might be time to do a little research...

So I asked : Then what in your mind is a superior motor, what is a non old school motor. the Rotary? yeah, with bad emissions, and no torque, the W-motor? nothing more thenpistons raised and schooched over some more. a turbine car? lets not even go there. In the end, the basics ofmotors show that they are all the same

Jerkoff: Not sure what you're babbling on about with re to rotary and the likes. I never mentioned them.

Superior would be harnessing new technology not trying to bandage old technology.

Great V8 motor is the 1UZFE - read up about that motor, it is *superior* to the LS1.

I think you should do a little reading about both motors.........


So of course I do, and I find.....NOTHING superior about this motor.

ME: So, your saying belt driven cams in a V8, steel connecting rods, and hypereutetic pistons makes this motor superior? The only thing making power in the 4.0 is the compression. The LS1 is 40lbs. lighter, and makes at a MINIMUM 67 more ft. lbs. of torque. So how is this over weight, underpowered, and under litre engine superior, cause the cams are on top? oh yes, driven by a belt, which has to be replaced more then a timing chain. Sorry, but your engine is old technology.
Both our motors have 6 bolt mains, are made of aluminum, and are fuel injected....so now, what makes it so superior. OHC and DOHC dates back as far as OHV's, such as Delage Peugeot, ALfa Romeo, and so on. None of this is new technology anymore, things are jsut refined. If you say it's because its DOHC...well im sorry to say it makes not difference, except its more a PITA compared to a single cam... ask me how I know.


I just dont understand where these guys come out of the woodworks, and shoot their mouth without reading into it....and they are the ones preaching to do some research. Both our motors have been on the 10 best engine list, only ours was on there 2nd year out, it took Toyota 9 years to get there with the 1UZ ( both were on it in 98') Do they think its some holy motor because its one of the few V8 Japan has produced in a performance car?

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

Do they think its some holy motor because its one of the few V8 Japan has produced in a performance car?

Yes.

That is a nice passenger car/luxury car engine. For performance it seems pretty pitiful to me. That's barely better than a 5.0 Mustang engine.

I don't understand why import guys can't give credit where credit is due. An aluminum 5.7L engine making probably 340hp at the fly that gets 30mpg without any fancy parts like overhead cams, turbos, or whatever. And it's affordable, and installed in thousands of cars.

[DevilDougWS6]

people sure are stupid. and they have full access to google. one click and they could actually post relevant ****.

[91chevywt]

Whenever I hear someone say stuff like that, I just stop trying to talk. Its like talking to a wall. I remember one instance, this kid was talking crap on v8's in general. And he's like "oh, for like 2 grand you can turbo a honda, and have 1000 horsepower and still make 25 mpg."

I just walk away from those people, because theres no getting through. They need to see it in person. Most of them would crap their pants seeing a bolt on LS1 running 12s

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by 91chevywt

Whenever I hear someone say stuff like that, I just stop trying to talk. Its like talking to a wall. I remember one instance, this kid was talking crap on v8's in general. And he's like "oh, for like 2 grand you can turbo a honda, and have 1000 horsepower and still make 25 mpg."

I just walk away from those people, because theres no getting through. They need to see it in person. Most of them would crap their pants seeing a bolt on LS1 running 12s

But isn't real life just like Gran Turismo?

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

But isn't real life just like Gran Turismo?

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

But isn't real life just like Gran Turismo?

Yes. I can hit a wall in both of them.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

This Jerkoff: the LS1 isn't a superior motor

ive heard this argument within the fbody communit as well

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Yes. I can hit a wall in both of them.

Well, if Gran Turismo were a more accurate representation of real life it would never sell. How fun would a racing game be if a turbo import oiled down the track every 5 minutes forcing a red flag for cleanup?

[Scrat's_Camaro]

streetfire.net has a bunch of know-it-all's on there that make stupid comments aswell. I hate it when the honda kids jump on there and claim they out run a v8 with their catbacks and cai.

[NJSPEEDER]

Yeah, that would be why I don't bother reading the commentary on youtube and streetfire. Too much fanboi, not enough 411

[jims69camaro]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

Yeah, that would be why I don't bother reading the commentary on youtube and streetfire. Too much fanboi, no 411

fixed.

[jims69camaro]

whenever you have more than one brand in a discussion, it's how much their brand rocks and how much yours sucks. it's called blind faith - and a bit foolish. if he ever was to install a 1UZ motor or whatever in a drag car and take it to the strip to face an LS1 drag car, not only would he open the big bag of excuses, but it would be full of how his ride's not tuned properly or the weather or some other such thing that he currently has no control over. even though he would be properly spanked, he still wouldn't have lost in his mind.

so, those who put their hand up when the choice was "walk away" FTW.

[ZCarr]

Did you all know that GM developed both versions of the LS1? GM reps were allowed to drive both cars not knowing which was which the the push rod version out performed the OHC version.

[sweetbmxrider]

fighting with people through video comments is just silly

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

fighting with people through video comments is just silly

It's all over youtube. My company did a study on people's reaction to Clinton Portis on the Micheal Vick dog thing and the comments turned into a race war.

[GP99GT]

any motor can be "superior" with time and money...

who gives a flying ****?

youre almost as bad as him for arguing about it on a youtube video.

[98tadriver]

jeff, did u tell them all this too? if so youre the man. u did the research!

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by 98tadriver

jeff, did u tell them all this too? if so youre the man. u did the research!

Yes I did. I am a tool everyone, there, happy? truth is I get irritated real quick by things like this. all I did was ask him what he means by superior, and when he said I think I need to do a little research in a sarcastic way written, thats what set me off. I have nothign better to do, being at home all the time, so I had all the time to take a quick look at the specs. if the guy will argue my points, I am dropping this and moving on, but I wont have peopel tell me to do research, when they are the ones who are improperly teaching wrong information to the masses. Do I need to walk away, hell yeah, but with the way my personal life is going, my irritability rate has shot through the roof, so its hard for me to.

[sweetbmxrider]

hey i hear ya, i do it too. i still say its worthless though. he can come back with some bs info or call your info bs. it gets to you more then. but god bless ya for trying

[Stupercharged]

Yeah I completely understand sometimes stupid things like that just get to ya, and its like you have to say something about it.

[HeadlessNorseman]

yeah everyone(on youtube and toyota forums) seems to pop up with the 1uz being the ultimate v8 of all time for some reason. They can take a lot of boost, i know that, but there still only 4 liters. You need big cylinders!! I just think it would have been cool if it came in my old mk3 supra from the factory instead of the underpowered 7m in the oversized mk3

[qwikz28]

i bet he is referring to the fact that it is a pushrod motor. yes he is an idiot, but he has a point. our cars are lacking the technology that is put into motors such as the the twin turbo BMW motor, or even the stupid GTR motor. Those are all considered "modern" motors. this isn't to say that the LS1 is inferior, but it is far from cutting edge anymore. back in 96-97, it was the ish. the name of the game seems to be how much useless technology you can put into a motor. the solstice motor, for example, wouldn't be considered very technologically advanced compared to the new german and jap motors, but the technology it does have, is very useful. thats why i dont care for high tech motors. sorry for the endless rant, just wanted to say that.

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Yes.

That is a nice passenger car/luxury car engine. For performance it seems pretty pitiful to me. That's barely better than a 5.0 Mustang engine.

I don't understand why import guys can't give credit where credit is due. An aluminum 5.7L engine making probably 340hp at the fly that gets 30mpg without any fancy parts like overhead cams, turbos, or whatever. And it's affordable, and installed in thousands of cars.

oh and that isn't entirely true. when i walk over to thecarlounge, they hate american cars (mostly) but they all praise the LS1, even more so than us. trust me, the only reason that it is perceived that way is because its the ignorant that are so outspoken, the knowledgeable have nothing to prove so they remain quiet.