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KirkEvil · 01-21-2009, 06:43 PM

Everyone seems to have the same goal of building a budget H/C setup with street manners, looking for 400hp/400tq to the wheels, blah, blah...

Most of the time, that goal is unrealistic. My question is what in your opinion is the breaking point of streetable cam size?

Also...disregard emissions, and assume necessary bolt ons stall/gears, stock displacement.

Batman · 01-21-2009, 07:16 PM

400/400 is fairly easy with just a cam in an LS1.Streetable is a relative term though. A good rule of thumb is anything in the 220-230 range will be very easy on the street with a cam in the 230-235 range still fairl tame. Anything over that will start to get grumpy. teh T/R 224/224 114LSA cam is proably one of the best power makers with easy to live with manners.

KirkEvil · 01-21-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Batman

400/400 is fairly easy with just a cam in an LS1.Streetable is a relative term though. A good rule of thumb is anything in the 220-230 range will be very easy on the street with a cam in the 230-235 range still fairl tame. Anything over that will start to get grumpy. teh T/R 224/224 114LSA cam is proably one of the best power makers with easy to live with manners.

I agree that 400/400 is somewhat easy without a budget. On a budget, it becomes more difficult, and I would not want to rev to 7k to see those numbers and sacrifice low end. My opinion for street is 230's duration (XE-R) with no more than 8* overlap on stock cubes. It all comes down to what you could personally tolerate.

I also agree that the tr224 is a great power street cam, and on a 114 LSA it could pass emissions with a good tune. More opinions?

NJ Torque · 01-21-2009, 07:34 PM

224 Cam with 5.3 heads.

Breakign point? I've seen 224 cams unstreetable due to their tunes... or cams much bigger do better too.

NJ Torque · 01-21-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KirkEvil

I agree that 400/400 is somewhat easy without a budget. On a budget, it becomes more difficult, and I would not want to rev to 7k to see those numbers and sacrifice low end. My opinion for street is 230's duration (XE-R) with no more than 8* overlap on stock cubes. It all comes down to what you could personally tolerate.

I also agree that the tr224 is a great power street cam, and on a 114 LSA it could pass emissions with a good tune. More opinions?

If your looking real streetable... check out the TR CheaTR cam and decent heads.

Batman · 01-21-2009, 08:06 PM

I dont think he is worried about emissions. the TR224 on a 112 would probably cause issues, I haven't seen many problems with the 114. However you won't get 400 with just the 224 (Very close though). The GMPP LS1 hot cam will get you there but emissions will be screwed. Another option is a cam like the TR 224 and a set of LS6 heads (which are cheap enough now) will get you past there also. what kinda budget you looking at?

KirkEvil · 01-21-2009, 08:33 PM

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I dont think he is worried about emissions. the TR224 on a 112 would probably cause issues, I haven't seen many problems with the 114. However you won't get 400 with just the 224 (Very close though). The GMPP LS1 hot cam will get you there but emissions will be screwed. Another option is a cam like the TR 224 and a set of LS6 heads (which are cheap enough now) will get you past there also. what kinda budget you looking at?

Yes, a tr224 with stock 243's would be an amazing street setup,and a very budget minded build. Considering the characteristics of tr lobes are inbetween XE-R and XE, and have less lift, it is easier on the valvetrain; cheaper and more reliable. tr224 with 5.3l heads would be more effective for the extra buck

I was more interested in a discussion/opinions of streetable cams than help to piece together a build. I still need a converter and tune before I line up my cam build unless I do it all at once. Right now Im looking at looking at the 5.3L heads and either a 228r or PredZ spec cam (230/230 .612 .588 on a 111). The 228r would have better manners, but the later will have more power under the curve

BarneyMobile · 01-21-2009, 08:39 PM

I run a 230/236 112lsa cam and my car has great street manners after I found a good tuner. its all in the tune. I've seen 240 dur. cams tuned well enough to have good DD street manners.

KirkEvil · 01-21-2009, 08:47 PM

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I run a 230/236 112lsa cam and my car has great street manners after I found a good tuner. its all in the tune. I've seen 240 dur. cams tuned well enough to have good DD street manners.

From what I understand, m6 cars handle cams a little larger than A4. For me, the 240 duration cams would come with the price of a 4k+ stall on the street. Were you at the TTP dyno meet? I remember someone was there with a 230/236 cam that put down some impressive #'s.

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107LSA FTW!

your car is slow

LTb1ow · 01-21-2009, 10:08 PM

Stall, gears, GOOD tires, and juice.

You can't hook for **** now anways....

BarneyMobile · 01-22-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KirkEvil

From what I understand, m6 cars handle cams a little larger than A4. For me, the 240 duration cams would come with the price of a 4k+ stall on the street. Were you at the TTP dyno meet? I remember someone was there with a 230/236 cam that put down some impressive #'s.

That was me at the TTP meet

. That was the day I found out my tune was way off and I was running pig rich N/A and dead lean on the bottle. I wasn't a happy camper that day. I ended up putting down 396/370 N/A and 511/922 on the bottle. The 922ftlb was from a N2O back fire haha. I had my car retuned and got my power back to where it was before (440/400N/A) (546/600 N2O).

I'd like to dyno my car again to see how much I lost with the Moser 9inch.

lastcall190 · 01-25-2009, 08:01 PM

TR224 and 243 heads were what I was gonna do for a similar goal (and considering 243s can be grabbed for cheap on forums, it helps with the "budget" end of it all). I was halfway there. The driveability with the TR224 is great, but agreed a lot of tuning a big cam is in the tune.

How you enjoying that PHB

-J

KirkEvil · 01-25-2009, 10:40 PM

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How you enjoying that PHB

-J

Honestly, I cant tell a difference from stock, but its one of those mods to say I did it. haha

NJSPEEDER · 01-26-2009, 11:46 AM

With LS1'sit is so much about tuning. The design of the Gen 3 small block can eat up huge amounts of cam and drive great as long as the tuning is right. Look at DemonicBird's car, he has a huge cam and he has no problems driving it around.

LTb1ow · 01-26-2009, 12:08 PM

Its also personal preference.

KirkEvil · 01-26-2009, 04:38 PM

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Look at DemonicBird's car, he has a huge cam and he has no problems driving it around.

Yeah he has a huge cam (245/250), Im surprised he doesnt have clearance issues with stock heads...or maybe he did and doesnt have it listed. No wonder he is fine DD that thing, look what he did to it...