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NastyEllEssWon · 02-08-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfblitz

What ever happened to the good ol days of Cowboys and Indians? or running around a playground with r hand in a gun shape making a "pow pow" sound as loud as you could?

like i said before. they suspended a kid for doing just this in a school somewhere off yonder. either way...whats good for one is good for all. all or none, there is no middle ground here.

Frosty · 02-08-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

like i said before. they suspended a kid for doing just this in a school somewhere off yonder. either way...whats good for one is good for all. all or none, there is no middle ground here.

BS. You said in another post that the kids should deal with consequences, they're 6 freakin' years old.

A butter knife and a LEGO is NOT the same thing. It's ridiculous, this country is a bunch of stress freaks, so quick to bring on the drama and FEAR.

The SENSIBLE thing would have been to take it away, tell the KID that it's against the rules and explain WHY the rules are what they are...not just suspend the kid and put him through hell, he's a KID.

I guess I'm still thinking when we were in grade school in the 80's.....when things were "normal". I wouldn't want to a kid growing up in this day and age....kids can't be kids...

fmybody · 02-08-2010, 08:19 PM

ITS NOT A JOKE GUYS.. THEY ARE RIGHT...

i lost my best friend to a lego gun...

NOT.. wtf? and yeah legos are the shizz and expensive as woah..

BigRocsFirebird · 02-08-2010, 09:36 PM

what a jokeeeeeeee

BigAls87Z28 · 02-08-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bangin Bob

When I was in school just about every pickup in the parking lot had a gun rack. Some might even had a gun on it? When I was in junior high I was in the bicycle club. They had a gun club and a bow and arrow club too. When I was in elementary school I was a cub scout. On the days we had our meeting after school we wore our uniforms. Guess what I had my pocket knife on my belt loop and took it to school! I would have never thought of taking that knife out to threaten anyone? Man times have changed and not for the good. I'm not that old either. This country is in bad bad shape! No one has any upbringing, self worth or common sense any more.

The south sound's like a beautiful place Bob....
Its not America that is in bad shape if you cant put a gun on the back of your pick up truck. I was a cub scout in school, and we could NEVER bring a knife into school. Not that I grew up in some murderious neighborhood, it was out of saftey, not to mention Boy Scout saftey.

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Originally Posted by Frosty

BS. You said in another post that the kids should deal with consequences, they're 6 freakin' years old.

A butter knife and a LEGO is NOT the same thing. It's ridiculous, this country is a bunch of stress freaks, so quick to bring on the drama and FEAR.

The SENSIBLE thing would have been to take it away, tell the KID that it's against the rules and explain WHY the rules are what they are...not just suspend the kid and put him through hell, he's a KID.

I guess I'm still thinking when we were in grade school in the 80's.....when things were "normal". I wouldn't want to a kid growing up in this day and age....kids can't be kids...

Agreed, the teacher should have been human and just taught the kid that guns are bad, and that the 2nd ammendment should be removed so that no one is allowed to have guns.

NastyEllEssWon · 02-08-2010, 11:05 PM

you have no constitutional rights in a school. which is why freedom of speech doesnt apply. they have rules and the rules are there to abide by. how about you follow the rules and no one will have a problem.

the biggest question is.....why did the kid have a toy with him in school anyway?

Tsar · 02-08-2010, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

you have no constitutional rights in a school. which is why freedom of speech doesnt apply. they have rules and the rules are there to abide by. how about you follow the rules and no one will have a problem.

the biggest question is.....why did the kid have a toy with him in school anyway?

Public schools have plenty of free speech. There have been plenty of court cases to back up that statement. Private one's on the other hand don't, but that's why they are PRIVATE.

EDIT* I'm still shocked at the stupidity of the quoted statement..

Frosty · 02-08-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

you have no constitutional rights in a school. which is why freedom of speech doesnt apply. they have rules and the rules are there to abide by. how about you follow the rules and no one will have a problem.

the biggest question is.....why did the kid have a toy with him in school anyway?

Holy hell man, I would NOT want to be your kid

You never brought toys to school when you were in elementary school?

The point is that the principle overreacted. THAT'S the issue, yes the kid broke a rule...but the thing was blown way out of proportion. We're not talking about people our age, we're talking about little kids...they deserve some slack.

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Originally Posted by Tsar

Public schools have plenty of free speech. There have been plenty of court cases to back up that statement. Private one's on the other hand don't, but that's why they are PRIVATE.

Firebird92 · 02-08-2010, 11:28 PM

WTF really i can't believe this....... he's 9 the only gun he knows is that lego one.
rule are meant to be broken. American was started on breaking rules and laws .
i would tell my son to bring his water guns, toy guns everything share with the other kidz be a kidz. run around going "BANG BANG" or "BOOM HEADSHOT" lol well u can but that's just me

Tsar · 02-08-2010, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebird92

WTF really i can't believe this....... he's 9 the only gun he knows is that lego one.
rule are meant to be broken. American was started on breaking rules and laws .
i would tell my son to bring his water guns, toy guns everything share with the other kidz be a kidz. run around going "BANG BANG" or "BOOM HEADSHOT" lol well u can but that's just me

With grammar like that you should not be reproducing, seriously.

NastyEllEssWon · 02-08-2010, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

Holy hell man, I would NOT want to be your kid

You never brought toys to school when you were in elementary school?

lol nope if we brought toys to school the teacher would take it and not give it back unless you had your parent come in and get it back. since we didnt have much money and to save myself from a good ass kicking i obeyed

my son does as well.

this whole thing just sounds like a bunch of kids screaming ''Waaaah the rules apply to me!''

Frosty · 02-08-2010, 11:43 PM

...or it sounds like an adult overreacted to a Lego

NastyEllEssWon · 02-08-2010, 11:53 PM

its just that this isnt an isolated incident in recent years. there was the finger bang bang kid, the chicken finger bang bang kid, the g.i joe toy gun kid and the cap gun kid from texas i recall. either way. its known and stated that no ''simulated'' weapons are allowed. this can be a variety of things and the child should be punished accordingly. a few days out of school seems appropriate. i bet you he never does this again.

either way, its nothing new, nothing anyone should be shocked over because there have been plenty of ''overreacting examples'' over the last few years. its just laughable that there are so many ''i know its the rules but this is crazy'' comments. rules are there. they arent new. these rules have been around since columbine....which ironically happened before these kids were born.

once again....waaaah the rules apply to me

Savage_Messiah · 02-08-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

the biggest question is.....why did the kid have a toy with him in school anyway?

maybe because he's a nine year old kid

Firebird92 · 02-09-2010, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsar

With grammar like that you should not be reproducing, seriously.

to bad grammar means nothing on a genetic level "seriously".

if you don't like my grammar, spelling or punctuational; then don't read it, fix it , tell an admin to remove it, or just sit back and shut up.

you got you internet correction award for today...

NastyEllEssWon · 02-09-2010, 01:24 AM

down to the end of it kasey......toys dont belong in school. no matter what they are.

Savage_Messiah · 02-09-2010, 01:58 AM

Are you a Puritan, Jay?

sweetbmxrider · 02-09-2010, 07:18 AM

rules are made by humans and we **** everything up so you really have no ground with that. who knows what damaging effects could be occurring from any zero tolerance policy? stop inciting arguments, you don't have one.

Jensend · 02-09-2010, 08:44 AM

After 35 year as a classroom teacher, I can tell you that, especially in recent years, teachers have absolutely no discretion when it comes to matters of policy or policing of established policies. Between incidents of in-school violence and lawsuit happy individuals, schools have become absurdly over regulated places. Reason and common sense have given way to a "zero tolerance" mindset based on worst case scenarios.

It's the kind of world we can expect to get more of unless people start to become more realistic and self- reliant. If we expect someone else to be responsible for making judgments for, and protecting us from, everything and everyone, it shouldn't be a surprise that the rules will get progrssively more absurd and pointlessly harsh. More often than not, rules simply provide for punishment after the fact. rarely do most rules have the power to prevent real problems.

Not so sure any grammar school kid needs to serve detention for drawing pictures of pirates etc.- especially in light of the popularity of the Pirates of the Caribbean. That kind of narrow interpretation of policy needs to be challenged. Sure, let the kid serve the detention, but then go to a Board of Ed. meeting and ask some thoughtful and politically uncomfortable questions.

Years ago, my sons (8 and 10) were told by a " school substance assistance that my wife (a non drinker) and I were likely alcoholics because they mentioned to her that I collected wine. After reassuring my sons, we arranged a meeting with the counselor, several other concerned parents and the school Principal. Turned out, the counselor was opposed to all alcohol based on personal religious beliefs. The matter was handled by district administrators after that. Some things need to be challenged.

bad64chevelle · 02-09-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

down to the end of it kasey......toys dont belong in school. no matter what they are.

I guess you never went to Kindergarten?

LTb1ow · 02-09-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

you have no constitutional rights in a school. which is why freedom of speech doesnt apply. they have rules and the rules are there to abide by. how about you follow the rules and no one will have a problem.

the biggest question is.....why did the kid have a toy with him in school anyway?

Ok Mr. marijuana activist... how bout you follow the rules?

Or do they not apply to you cause you are special?

Knipps · 02-09-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Ok Mr. marijuana activist... how bout you follow the rules?

Or do they not apply to you cause you are special?

He does not participate in such activities, he just believes the rules should be changed. Have I got that right Jay?

Honestly, the whole thing is a mess, 0 tolerance means the kid couldn't have the toy gun in school. Do I think the punishment was a little excessive? yeah, but not every punishment is paired up fairly with the infraction. The kid got a few days off from school, he probably enjoyed himself, his parents are making a big deal of it and it's just time to move on with our lives...

LTb1ow · 02-09-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Knipps

He does not participate in such activities, he just believes the rules should be changed. Have I got that right Jay?

Honestly, the whole thing is a mess, 0 tolerance means the kid couldn't have the toy gun in school. Do I think the punishment was a little excessive? yeah, but not every punishment is paired up fairly with the infraction. The kid got a few days off from school, he probably enjoyed himself, his parents are making a big deal of it and it's just time to move on with our lives...

Thats what I was going after, how can someone be so adament about rules being set in stone and can never ever be broken but at the same time get to pick other rules that they don't like and try to change...

sweetbmxrider · 02-09-2010, 10:30 AM

that.......almost......makes......sense!

Tsar · 02-09-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Thats what I was going after, how can someone be so adament about rules being set in stone and can never ever be broken but at the same time get to pick other rules that they don't like and try to change...

There's a word in a dictionary for this...