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sweetbmxrider · 08-01-2010, 09:28 PM

i didn't read all of your diarrhea nasty but you said chevy priced themselves out of the competition and all this other nonsense. so what about the ford gt? its a very rare car to see and is marketed to a different person. whats so different with a zr1?

some people have money and just don't give a ****. sometimes companies create things just to get their name circulating. maybe thats why so many 5th gens are tooling around? maybe there is more to it than anyone on here can bitch in every thread about?

maybe i'm just an idiot?

r0nin89 · 08-02-2010, 09:04 AM

GT500 is not fords competition for a Corvette. Stop looking at prices and going "O well the GT500 is fast and $60,000 and so is the vette. They must be competing models!"

The fact of the matter is that the GT500 has been available with no GM competition. Dont forget that the GT500 is still just a $60,000 mustang just like the z28 will be a $60,000 Camaro. Comparing the vette to a mustang is like comparing apples and oranges. Theyre not in the same realm, at all.

If your all so upset that ford doesnt have competition for a corvette then why dont you write them and tell them to start producing Cobras or GT40s for the price of an entry level vette. By the logic here that would make everything make sense somehow.

Slow-V6 · 08-04-2010, 09:33 AM

1st off I would hope a car with a 550 hp motor would be faster then a car with a 430hp motor.

In my opinion the LS1 Camaros were faster then the LS1 Vettes but they were still 20+ grand less in price. I remember everyone complaining on how over priced those 4th gen cars were. My WS6 was 34,000 brand new. Hell my 95 Firehawk was 35,000 brand new.

Its 60,000 for a Camaro. Would you have spent 60k for a 2002 Camaro? How about a 95 Camaro? 3rd gen? I know I wouldnt. So why would I be interested in a 5th gen for 60,000? Just like when those guys first bought there GT500's. They are cool cars but when they told me how much they spent on them I had to laugh my ass off.

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maybe thats why so many 5th gens are tooling around? maybe there is more to it than anyone on here can bitch in every thread about?

I like the 5th gen for the price that the V6 and SS are at. 24,000-40,000 is a good price for a new Camaro. I am sure if all the 5th gens camaros would have started at 55,000 then they would have sold a hell of alot less.

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Everyone wants something for nothing, this car won't exactly be cheap to build and it's not going to be built for people like us that want a Camaro, it's for the upper echelon of guys that want something to run against the GT500's of the world.

So being a Camaro Fan how does this not piss you off? Gm building this car for the Upper echelon guys and girls and not the Camaro fans. So Gm in your mind is saying that for the Camaro Fan base we get the Base cars and for the People who want a Vette but want one with a back seat we will offer the Z28 to them.

Going from a V6 to a V8 is about a 10,000 dollar option why going from a V8 to a supercharged V8 not be a 10,000 dollar option either? Ford was able to priceThe 03-04 Cobras between 38-40k and the GT's were in the 25-28k range back in 03/04. Thats about a 10,000 dollar difference.

Frosty · 08-04-2010, 09:50 AM

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The LS1 Camaros were faster then the LS1 Vettes but they were still 20+ grand less in price.

Are you on crack? The fastest bone stock C5 time was 12.6x, done at Atco many years ago, a LS1 Fbody could only dream of that...pound for pound driver for driver a LS1 C5 is faster than a LS1 fbody. Contrary to popular believe not every LS1 Fbody is some magical 12.80 car.

There's a reason a C5 costs more than a Fbody, the built quality is leaps and bounds better than a 4thgen ever could dream of.

Slow-V6 · 08-04-2010, 09:50 AM

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So by everyone's opinion here the GT500 is garbage too because it's priced more than a Corvette, right? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no?

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The GT500 is garbage because its a Mustang!

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Are you on crack? The fastest bone stock C5 time was 12.6x, done at Atco many years ago, a LS1 Fbody could only dream of that...pound for pound driver for driver a LS1 C5 is faster than a LS1 fbody. Contrary to popular believe not every LS1 Fbody is some magical 12.80 car.

There's a reason a C5 costs more than a Fbody, the built quality is leaps and bounds better than a 4thgen ever could dream of.

So every C5 Vette is a 12.6 car?

Frosty · 08-04-2010, 09:54 AM

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So being a Camaro Fan how does this not piss you off? Gm building this car for the Upper echelon guys and girls and not the Camaro fans. So Gm in your mind is saying that for the Camaro Fan base we get the Base cars and for the People who want a Vette but want one with a back seat we will offer the Z28 to them.

Going from a V6 to a V8 is about a 10,000 dollar option why going from a V8 to a supercharged V8 not be a 10,000 dollar option either? Ford was able to priceThe 03-04 Cobras between 38-40k and the GT's were in the 25-28k range back in 03/04. Thats about a 10,000 dollar difference.

Why would it piss me off? Speed costs money, not everything has to be made for our budgets...not everything has to be made for the average guy. I'm sorry but the people whining and complaining about the price are the ones NOT buying one. I'm not taking a shot at anyone's finances because it's none of my business but would you go right out and spend $45K on one tomorrow if it was available?

Quoting prices from 2003 is completely irrelevant, that's 7yrs ago. Also the MT price is speculation. Furthermore the cost of a LSA motor compared to a LS3 is greater than a 3.6-LS3 comparison.

There's a lot of QQ'ing from people that won't even buy one...

For what it's worth you can fully load a SS to hit the 40K mark, so even if it was $50K for a Z28 it still wouldn't be a bad deal and still less than a GT500. :dunno:

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So every C5 Vette is a 12.6 car?

Nope, but you said a LS1 fbody is faster than a LS1 C5...and I just blew that ridiculous claim out of the water. "Could" a LS1 beat a C5? Sure..but you take the collective times and the C5 will come out on top...then again I guess owning one and going to the track all the time means nothing lol

I love my Fbodies, always have, always will but I'm not going to be blinded by my loyalty.

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The GT500 is garbage because its a Mustang!

Yet ironically more car than yours or mine will ever be. Dude, we get it, you hate Mustangs.

LTb1ow · 08-04-2010, 09:57 AM

These threads need more pictures and less BS bickering.

Bah.

Frosty · 08-04-2010, 10:09 AM

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These threads need more pictures and less BS bickering.

Bah.

Then post some up

Slow-V6 · 08-04-2010, 10:10 AM

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Nope, but you said a LS1 fbody is faster than a LS1 C5...and I just blew that ridiculous claim out of the water. "Could" a LS1 beat a C5? Sure..but you take the collective times and the C5 will come out on top...then again I guess owning one and going to the track all the time means nothing lol

Actually I have taken my car the track plenty of times and all of the bolt on C5's I have seen at the track run crappy times compared to the Bolt on LS1 F-bodies. Your experience and my experience is different. You have seen faster C5 Vettes and I have seen faster LS1 F-bodies. Hell my 02 WS6 put down 320 rwhp stock and trapped a 109mph stock. most of the stock C5 vettes I have seen make in the 300 rwhp range. I guess I should have said "In my experience the LS1 Fbody is faster then the C5 vette." I will change that. You can also go to the Corvette museum website and they have the 01 Z06 running a time of 12.6 in the 1/4. How is that possible since the base model C5 runs a 12.6?

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Yet ironically more car than yours or mine will ever be. Dude, we get it, you hate Mustangs.

So you dog 4th gen fbodies but love the GT500 mustang?

How can you say a 500hp car weighing in a 4000 plus pounds be more of a car then yours or mine? Man you really hate on F-bodies. Those GT500's are a low 12 high 11 second car at best! I guess its inpossible for a LS1 to get in the 11's right? Are you on crack? I know you drive a 3rd gen but you do realize its pretty comon to get a LS1 F-boby into the 11's right?

LTb1ow · 08-04-2010, 10:12 AM

<--this is certainly not a 77 Z28. It's just a 75-77 Camaro. Carry on.

sweetbmxrider · 08-04-2010, 10:16 AM

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There's a lot of QQ'ing from people that won't even buy one...

BOOM! lets end this party

Frosty · 08-04-2010, 10:22 AM

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So you dog 4th gen fbodies but love the GT500 mustang?

How can you say a 500hp car weighing in a 4000 plus pounds be more of a car then yours or mine? Man you really hate on F-bodies. Those GT500's are a low 12 high 11 second car at best! I guess its inpossible for a LS1 to get in the 11's right? Are you on crack? I know you drive a 3rd gen but you do realize its pretty comon to get a LS1 F-boby into the 11's right?

How am I dogging a 4thgen? Dude, are you on drugs? I loved my 4thgen just like I love my 3rdgen but I'm not gonna sit there and **** on the GT500 which is a BETTER car than ours...I mean c'mon.

I had solid 12 second Z28 so again, you're really talking out of your ass. What does my 3rdgen have to do with anything? So now suddenly because I currently own a thirdgen I don't know anything about LS1's, dude, my LS1 was faster than your car now

WTFBBQ

Slow-V6 · 08-04-2010, 10:22 AM

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Damn that tb is in a weird position.

Frosty · 08-04-2010, 10:27 AM

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Actually I have taken my car the track plenty of times and all of the bolt on C5's I have seen at the track run crappy times compared to the Bolt on LS1 F-bodies. Your experience and my experience is different. You have seen faster C5 Vettes and I have seen faster LS1 F-bodies. Hell my 02 WS6 put down 320 rwhp stock and trapped a 109mph stock. most of the stock C5 vettes I have seen make in the 300 rwhp range. I guess I should have said "In my experience the LS1 Fbody is faster then the C5 vette." I will change that. You can also go to the Corvette museum website and they have the 01 Z06 running a time of 12.6 in the 1/4. How is that possible since the base model C5 runs a 12.6?

Further proof you're seriously clueless. Just stop posting, seriously....just stop(kidding). Go onto the LS1 or C5 boards and see how many stock ZO6's are 11 second cars....hell even Ranger from LS1tech got a 10.9x with just drag radials(unless of course DR's can knock off a second and a half lmao).

As far as the 12'6x from a stock C5...I was there, saw it with my own eyes, it was all over the internet a few years back. I wouldn't make that claim unless it was verified. Oh wait, he did take the fuel rail covers off and put ice on the intake, is that a mod?

So you keep up your brand/generation loyalty, it makes you look really, REALLY silly...and the mere fact that your posted up some museum time is comical...however you DO know the '01 has less HP than a 02-04 right?

Slow-V6 · 08-04-2010, 10:29 AM

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How am I dogging a 4thgen? Dude, are you on drugs? I loved my 4thgen just like I love my 3rdgen but I'm not gonna sit there and **** on the GT500 which is a BETTER car than ours...I mean c'mon.

Thats were we differ again. Just because a car is 55,000 dollars doesnt make it better then the car I own. There is a reason I own my T/A and not a GT500 and its not because I cant afford it. I would get a c5 or C6 vette over my car and probably a new Challenger also when I am ready to get a different car. I dont walk up to a GT500 mustang and say man that car is so much better then my car! I might say it is faster but thats about it. I hate the way they look and I hate the way they drive so how can I say the car is better then the car I have already? I love the way that both of my fbodies look, sound , and drive. I dont like the way the mustangs look, or drive. I like the way they sound.

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So you keep up your brand/generation loyalty, it makes you look really, REALLY silly...and the mere fact that your posted up some museum time is comical...however you DO know the '01 has less HP than a 02-04 right?

I will keep my loyalty to the F-body. Thats fine. How does that make you look silly on a Fbody website? You might want to head over to the GT500 websites and start praising there cars over there. My WS6 was more expensive to buy new then your GTA so I guess my WS6 is a better car as well?

385hp-405hp
You were also talking about the collective times of a C5 corvette. I read the GM High tech that took the 04 Z06 to a 11.8 in the 1/4. Bad ass car. I believe the 01 Z06 in a very low 12 second car but most of them that I have seen at the track with my own eyes that are stock run in the mid-high 12's.

Just because I dont agree with you why are you so defensive?
60,000 dollar Z28 camaro is going to be the fair price norm, a GT500 mustang is a better car then a F-body, GT500 is in competition with the Corvette.

Frosty · 08-04-2010, 10:49 AM

I'm not defensive, you're just spreading bad info. You're looking at magazine times, fine...if you want to base your opinion off of that or a few bad drivers at the track thats' your right. The GT500 is NOT in competition with the Corvette, the magazines make that comparison because Ford has no answer for it..that's fine...again, you don't like Mustangs, we get it. You think the GT500 is garbage because it's a Mustang yet it's faster and handles better than your car(and mine). Looks are subjective, I'm not a fan of the looks either but performance #'s don't lie.

It's one thing to be loyal, it's another thing to be blind.

BTW, this is just friendly back and forth, even if you are wrong(lol j/k)

BigAls87Z28 · 08-04-2010, 11:53 AM

What the hell is going on?
The Z28 will not start at 60k. MT has zero clue.

10k price gap? Mustang GT is 30k, GT500 is under 49k. Simple math puts that around 19k over a GT.

None of this makes sense. Chevrolet offering a Camaro for every price, every taste, and several power levels is a stupid idea...but Ford can do it?

12secondv6 · 08-04-2010, 01:46 PM

This thread got stupid.... so I'll make it better

Here is your camaro and mustang killer

LTb1ow · 08-04-2010, 01:47 PM

Tru2Chevy · 08-04-2010, 01:53 PM

Dear lord.....Slow-V6 and Frosty need to learn how to use Multi-Quote:

- Justin

WildBillyT · 08-04-2010, 02:23 PM

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Chevrolet offering a Camaro for every price, every taste, and several power levels is a stupid idea...but Ford can do it?

Bingo

Slow-V6 · 08-04-2010, 03:01 PM

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BTW, this is just friendly back and forth, even if you are wrong(lol j/k)

I know. Makes things interesting.

The fact is I havent driven a 05 or newer mustang. I am not a fan of the way they look and I tend to not drive cars that to me dont look good. I still base my impressions on the SN95 and Fox that I have owned. As far as my hatred for mustangs its Kinda like the Mets or Cowboys. I hate those teams. I also hate the way our Hyndai looks but thats my wifes other car so I deal with it.

I am more into just driving my cars now and showing them at car shows and what not. I have crap ton of mods in my dads basement for the 02 T/A that have been down there for 2 yrs now. I just dont have any motivation to install them. My wifes tq converter has been here for almost 2 weeks now. Its just sitting in our dinning room. So for me if a car is faster then mine or handles better I really could care less. 5 years ago I would have cared but now I dont give a ****.

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None of this makes sense. Chevrolet offering a Camaro for every price, every taste, and several power levels is a stupid idea...but Ford can do it?

Isnt that what they did with the 4th gens?

V6,Z28,SS,V6,Formula,T/A,WS6 all different prices all different options and all different power levels and still people complained that they were overpriced. There was only a 5k difference for the most part.

When I think of a Camaro I think of a car that was a Cheaper alternative to owning a Vette that had good performance and more interior room. Thats just me.

BigAls87Z28 · 08-04-2010, 03:45 PM

It is cheaper to own a Camaro over a Corvette but it has been a long long time since the Camaro had this type of engine shared with the likes of 65k Caddys and 100k Corvettes.

sweetbmxrider · 08-04-2010, 03:53 PM

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It is cheaper to own a Camaro over a Corvette but it has been a long long time since the Camaro had this type of engine shared with the likes of 65k Caddys and 100k Corvettes.

you could almost say the z28 will be a bargain......but you'd prob just end up on fire. silly flamers

Frosty · 08-04-2010, 05:19 PM

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The fact is I havent driven a 05 or newer mustang. I am not a fan of the way they look and I tend to not drive cars that to me dont look good. I still base my impressions on the SN95 and Fox that I have owned. As far as my hatred for mustangs its Kinda like the Mets or Cowboys. I hate those teams. I also hate the way our Hyndai looks but thats my wifes other car so I deal with it.

I don't like the way ANY Mustang drives past the Foxbody era, hated the SN95's and even the 05+. I just don't like the feel of them...but that still doesn't take away the performance of the GT500(or even the '11 5.0)