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What's with the affordable cadillac talk? A caddy has never been an everymans car. They're Caddies
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Seems to me that this small Caddy may be in the midsize SUV price range.
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01-10-2012, 11:42 AM
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Yeah, I was thinking Camaro $$ + 10-15% or something.
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Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
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01-10-2012, 11:44 AM
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Keep in mind a base CTS sedan starts at 35k. (V at 65k)
The ATS will start probably around 28-30k
ok, so maybe the ATS-V will come in 50-60k lol.
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01-10-2012, 11:59 AM
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that is what I'm thinking. Actually that is like 20% which is probably a better guess.
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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01-10-2012, 12:23 PM
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What's with the affordable cadillac talk? A caddy has never been an everymans car. They're Caddies
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100% cadillac....er wait...
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Uh yeah, after they surprized buttsecks us at Pearl Harbor?
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01-10-2012, 12:44 PM
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^^^considered one of the biggest mistakes in automotive history!!!!
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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01-10-2012, 12:46 PM
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^^^considered one of the biggest mistakes in automotive history!!!!
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Yup. I think Pete Estes even said it was a terrible idea at the time before it was developed.
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01-10-2012, 12:50 PM
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yea. lol, that was a bad time for Cadillac.
Cadillac only started their climb back to quality in the mid 90s with the creation of the Northstar engine and other assorted technologies. Yes it had its issues too, but it was one of the first to design a motor that could shut down specific cylinders. At the time it was a "limp-home" mode feature when the engine began overheating, not to conserve fuel. The interiors were also a HUGE improvement over the 80's "Cadillacs". I had a 95 STS and it was amazing for the time. Center console dash trim was real wood.
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01-10-2012, 12:53 PM
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yea. lol, that was a bad time for Cadillac.
Cadillac only started their climb back to quality in the mid 90s with the creation of the Northstar engine and other assorted technologies. Yes it had its issues too, but it was one of the first to design a motor that could shut down specific cylinders. At the time it was a "limp-home" mode feature when the engine began overheating, not to conserve fuel. The interiors were also a HUGE improvement over the 80's "Cadillacs". I had a 95 STS and it was amazing for the time. Center console dash trim was real wood.
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Yes, my friend had a late 90/early 2000 cadillac. Was a nice friggin car, but once the northstar gave it problems, he was missing his wallet. Recently priced a idle air control valve for one....300 buck mechanics cost!!
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Uh yeah, after they surprized buttsecks us at Pearl Harbor?
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01-10-2012, 01:11 PM
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yea. lol, that was a bad time for Cadillac.
Cadillac only started their climb back to quality in the mid 90s with the creation of the Northstar engine and other assorted technologies. Yes it had its issues too, but it was one of the first to design a motor that could shut down specific cylinders. At the time it was a "limp-home" mode feature when the engine began overheating, not to conserve fuel. The interiors were also a HUGE improvement over the 80's "Cadillacs". I had a 95 STS and it was amazing for the time. Center console dash trim was real wood.
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I thought the 8-6-4 was built for fuel economy in the very early 80s?
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01-10-2012, 02:22 PM
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I know it won't be cheap. Expect an ATS-V for at least high 40k.
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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
What's with the affordable cadillac talk? A caddy has never been an everymans car. They're Caddies
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Seems to me that this small Caddy may be in the midsize SUV price range.
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Yeah, I was thinking Camaro $$ + 10-15% or something.
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Originally Posted by V
Keep in mind a base CTS sedan starts at 35k. (V at 65k)
The ATS will start probably around 28-30k
ok, so maybe the ATS-V will come in 50-60k lol.
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Expect it to be priced at around 3 series/C class money, as that is what this car is going after.
CTS is lame duck till it moves to Alpha in 2015-2016.
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01-10-2012, 02:30 PM
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140S is still the sexy one.
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Uh yeah, after they surprized buttsecks us at Pearl Harbor?
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01-11-2012, 10:39 AM
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I do like the 140 over the 130, but the idea of the 130R is attractive.
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01-11-2012, 10:40 AM
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I do like the 140 over the 130, but the idea of the 130R is attractive.
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Key word.
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01-11-2012, 10:44 AM
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If you guys didn't read, they asked a whole bunch of young people what they wanted in a car.
These two were the most popular ideas that they came up with. An exotic looking hatchback, and a more upright RWD sports coupe, starting around 20k.
Both designs were put together by GM's Advanced Design Studio in North Hollywood.
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01-11-2012, 10:54 AM
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Can we get a follow up as to whether or not a single one of those young people buys one?
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01-11-2012, 10:56 AM
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Can we get a follow up as to whether or not a single one of those young people buys one?
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Watch GM make a great car that's semi-affordable... and then insurance companies push them out of reach of the target demographic.
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01-11-2012, 11:01 AM
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An exotic looking hatchback, and a more upright RWD sports coupe, starting around 20k.
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Put the engine in the back of the 140S, and it would fool me as GM's new supercar. I like it alot.
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Watch GM make a great car that's semi-affordable... and then insurance companies push them out of reach of the target demographic.
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Truth right there.
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Uh yeah, after they surprized buttsecks us at Pearl Harbor?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
If you guys didn't read, they asked a whole bunch of young people what they wanted in a car.
These two were the most popular ideas that they came up with. An exotic looking hatchback, and a more upright RWD sports coupe, starting around 20k.
Both designs were put together by GM's Advanced Design Studio in North Hollywood.
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What "young person" says they want an "upright car". I've never even heard a car guy talk in design speak like that.
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01-11-2012, 11:12 AM
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What "young person" says they want an "upright car". I've never even heard a car guy talk in design speak like that.
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Standford,Yale, Princeton, somwhere around those campuses lol.
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Watch GM make a great car that's semi-affordable... and then insurance companies push them out of reach of the target demographic.
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Yeah, can definitely see that happen.
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What "young person" says they want an "upright car". I've never even heard a car guy talk in design speak like that.
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Standford,Yale, Princeton, somwhere around those campuses lol.
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Or someone that's a fan of Bumble Bee 
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01-11-2012, 11:39 AM
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it seems cars designed for young people often backfire. iirc the average element owner is like 55 years old. i know there are some other examples but I can't think of them right now. and scion sales are in the tank.
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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am i the only hoping to see a revival of the z24/z26 nameplate on these cars 
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Al thanks for all the info!! Wish I coulda went this year.
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