big oops toyota..

[BigAls87Z28]

I didnt think GM was going to air anything. They had one Chevy commercial, talking about Camaro, Equinox, Malibu and Silverado as best buys by CR or something.
Camaro does look a lot sexier in V6 trim.

[WildBillyT]

I didnt think GM was going to air anything. They had one Chevy commercial, talking about Camaro, Equinox, Malibu and Silverado as best buys by CR or something.
Camaro does look a lot sexier in V6 trim.

That commercial sucked. Was one of the bottom 20 I believe.

[BonzoHansen]

It was technically after the game.

[LS1Hawk]

Report: Toyota 4Runner exhibits acceleration, brake symptoms
Posted By Andrew Ganz On February8 @ 10:58 am

Toyota (http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota.htm)’s massive recall of many of its high-volume models has, surprisingly, led to few credible reports of similar symptoms in non-recalled models. Yet a 2004 Toyota 4Runner in California is said to be experiencing exactly the same issues as its recalled brethren.

Deanna Reynolds of San Clemente, California, told the Orange County Register that her 4Runner’s engine surged when she pulled into a parking spot, forcing the SUV into a parked Chrysler (http://www.leftlanenews.com/chrysler.htm) PT Cruiser. That story might be an isolated incident – and one easy to shrug off as driver error – except that the body shop where Reynolds took the 4Runner claims the SUV is experiencing such unsafe braking issues that have popped for a rental car for Reynolds until Toyota does something. The shop, Caliber Collision Center, is paying for Reynolds’ rental car because it doesn’t believe the 4Runner is safe.

According to Reynolds, Toyota has visually inspected the 4Runner but has not driven it. The incident is the first reported issue for the 4Runner, although the symptoms – at least from what Reynolds reports – are similar to those that have plagued many of the automaker’s other products. All 4Runners have been assembled in Japan, presumably using Denso pedal assemblies instead of those made by U.S. supplier CTS.

“I strongly suspect that Toyota does not want to believe that yet another model is having acceleration problems,” Reynolds told the paper in an email, “but, believe me, if anyone had experienced how my accident happened, they would have no doubt that my vehicle is in question.”

The vehicle in question was one of Toyota’s fourth-generation 4Runners sold from 2003-2009; the redesigned 2010 4Runner (http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-4runner-trail-review.html)is actually the only Toyota product that saw an increase of demand at the end of January after the automaker suspended sales of many of its models.

Article: http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-toyota-4runner-exhibits-acceleration-brake-symptoms.html

[Tsar]

The vehicle surged while pulling into a parking spot? Sounds like some idiot accidentally smashed their gas pedal, and wants toyota to fix it by jumping on the bandwagon.

[BigAls87Z28]

Durring the game yesterday, Toyota officially recalled 270k Priui. And all Priui are made in Japan. Ouch.
Expect a lot more people to flip out over this.

[FlyingDutchman]

Durring the game yesterday, Toyota officially recalled 270k Priui. And all Priui are made in Japan. Ouch.
Expect a lot more people to flip out over this.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Reports-Toyota-plans-to-apf-337642470.html?x=0

yahoo!

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Reports-Toyota-plans-to-apf-337642470.html?x=0

yahoo!


What are you, a yahoo fanboy? Every post in here you put "yahoo!" at the bottom :lol:

[T69SS]

Durring the game yesterday, Toyota officially recalled 270k Priui. And all Priui are made in Japan. Ouch.
Expect a lot more people to flip out over this.

Awesome :lol:

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Very long Toyota ad apologizing that I saw tonight. Said they stopped production to fix their cars since they care so much about us.

[T69SS]

There is a commercial on the radio saying the same stuff as well. "Our service centers will be open extra hours to make things right" blah blah blah

[Savage_Messiah]

Still going!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8505402.stm

[maroman88]

437k prius's!

[Tsar]

At least Toyota will be remembered as "doing the right thing" in the eyes of an average individual. :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

They also recalled the HS hybrid model. Not goooood.

[T69SS]

Total recall number at about 8.5 Million now....

Wow

[LS1Hawk]

Add another 7,300 Camrys now for break fluid leaks:http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-recalls-7300-camrys-with-potentially-leaking-brake-tube.html

[WildBillyT]

I guess they are coming clean with all of the recalls they beat down now?

[Frosty]

Yeah after constant pressure...I thought they were different than GM and Ford :rolleyes:

[Knipps]

Now if only Honda could be taken down a notch... I was talking to a kid over the weekend who said he'd never buy an american car and then told me to let him know when my car hit 120k :rollseye: I offered to call Kasey with almost 200k on his before the rebuild and he had nothing to say. He restated his 94 Accord was superior to any american car and changed the subject. :lol:

[LS1Hawk]

I guess they are coming clean with all of the recalls they beat down now?

Yeah after constant pressure...I thought they were different than GM and Ford :rolleyes:

Exactly. People are wondering why all of the sudden so many Toyotas are having so many problems all at once. The problems have always been there. It's a cumulative effect of years of sweeping the issues under the rug.

[Tsar]

Now if only Honda could be taken down a notch... I was talking to a kid over the weekend who said he'd never buy an american car and then told me to let him know when my car hit 120k :rollseye: I offered to call Kasey with almost 200k on his before the rebuild and he had nothing to say. He restated his 94 Accord was superior to any american car and changed the subject. :lol:

So you purposely want peoples lives to be put in jeopardy, so you can look cooler to your tool bag friends, and American car companies can look better in the eyes of the public?!

I think this is the dumbest thing I've heard today, but hey it's only 11 AM.

[Frosty]

So you purposely want peoples lives to be put in jeopardy, so you can look cooler to your tool bag friends, and American car companies can look better in the eyes of the public?!

I think this is the dumbest thing I've heard today, but hey it's only 11 AM.

:confused: Where did he say anything about putting people's lives in danger?

[Tsar]

:confused: Where did he say anything about putting people's lives in danger?
Anything that would take Honda "down a notch" would involve a pretty major recall. Major recalls happen over safety issues.

[Knipps]

Yes, my friend you've never met, spoke to, or even heard of before that moment is an immediate tool bag.
Yes, I want 1000's of people to die to make american car companies look better.

Assumption making is fun.

[Frosty]

Anything that would take Honda "down a notch" would involve a pretty major recall. Major recalls happen over safety issues.

A ton of TSB's would take them down a notch too ;)

[Tsar]

A ton of TSB's would take them down a notch too ;)
Meh, I'll have to disagree.

Honda is a good car maker, from my experience.

[Frosty]

So is Toyota but even Hon-duh has their problems that no one talks about.

[LS1Hawk]

Honda Recalling Cars to Fix Switch

By REUTERS
Published: January 29, 2010

TOKYO (Reuters) — Honda Motor (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/honda-motor-co-ltd/index.html?inline=nyt-org) recalled 646,000 of its Fit, Jazz and City automobiles globally because of a faulty window switch after a child died when fire broke out in a car last year.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/business/global/30honda.html

[Tsar]

So is Toyota but even Hon-duh has their problems that no one talks about.

I didn't say they didn't have any problems. But aside from the fact that they included wrong contact info in their owners manual I haven't seen any problems with it.

My family and gf had 4 honda's in total. Honda CR-V, Civic, Accord, and Fit. Do you know the number of time that they were brought to the dealer for some kinda of problem? Once, the TPMS sensor would not go away on my gf Fit, it had to be reset. My family has owned some kind of Honda for good ten years or so with absolutely zero problems - that would be 0 dollars invested besides initial investment/purchase price of the car + plus some maintenance.

With that said, we have also owned American made cars, such as GM, and Ford. If I were to begin to itemize the list of problems we had with them for the past ten years I would have to make the biggest/longest post I have ever make in my njfboa history.

And to wish a company to do bad just so some other auto maker looks better is just stupid.

[Tsar]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/business/global/30honda.html

So it takes 1 dead person for Honda to make a recall, it takes about 18 dead people for Toyota to make a recall, and for GM it takes over 1800 people (actually they never made a recall in that case.) :lol:

Didn't someone just make a recall because heated seats were catching on fire? :lol:

[WildBillyT]

I didn't say they didn't have any problems. But aside from the fact that they included wrong contact info in their owners manual I haven't seen any problems with it.

My family and gf had 4 honda's in total. Honda CR-V, Civic, Accord, and Fit. Do you know the number of time that they were brought to the dealer for some kinda of problem? Once, the TPMS sensor would not go away on my gf Fit, it had to be reset. My family has owned some kind of Honda for good ten years or so with absolutely zero problems - that would be 0 dollars invested besides initial investment/purchase price of the car + plus some maintenance.

With that said, we have also owned American made cars, such as GM, and Ford. If I were to begin to itemize the list of problems we had with them for the past ten years I would have to make the biggest/longest post I have ever make in my njfboa history.

And to wish a company to do bad just so some other auto maker looks better is just stupid.

My friend's Civic Si will jump out of third. And apparently a lot of them do it. The recall was done and did not fix the issue, so Honda said "tough"...

[Tsar]

My friend's Civic Si will jump out of third. And apparently a lot of them do it. The recall was done and did not fix the issue, so Honda said "tough"...
Cool, you want me to tell you how many times I brought my car to get fixed and I was told "we don't know what's wrong with it?" and "take it somewhere else".

[LS1Hawk]

My GF has a 2008 Accord with about 25K miles and that thing has been to the dealer many times.

[Tsar]

My GF has a 2008 Accord with about 25K miles and that thing has been to the dealer many times.
For what reason, precisely. I'm just interested. Was it because the seat was going to catch on fire? Because car will accelerate uncontrollably? Breaks don't work?

My step dad drives an accord, I think it has 60k+ miles on it, it's a 2006 has been to the dealer 0 times, and it would be lucky if it had 5 oil changes. And it doesn't rattle :lol:

[WildBillyT]

Cool, you want me to tell you how many times I brought my car to get fixed and I was told "we don't know what's wrong with it?" and "take it somewhere else".

No, just to show that Hondas aren't free from Auto industry BS either. The trans pop thing to them is like the window motors are to us. Even the "fix" works like crap. My mom's Explorer went from 1999 to 2009, only visiting the dealer for maintenance, Firestone crap, and to fix squirrel eaten plug wires. That's not to say Explorers are good, just that there is good and bad with each manufacturer.

[BonzoHansen]

All my Hondas have been back for warranty work and recalls. Nothing that would kill me. I still think they make a decent car, as much as I despise the last one I bought, and would consider another. My Olds has gone in for warranty work. Again nothing that would kill me and I would buy another GM as well.

All makes have issues. All of them.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Tsar, my uncle has a 01 Civic with 70k miles, trans just took a crap two weeks ago. Look it up online, it's an extremely common occurence.

[BonzoHansen]

My 93 Civic EX, the input shaft bearing started growling at 37,000 and dealer told me too bad. I later fixed it myself and had no other major issues for the ~160,000 I put on it. Perhaps the best car I will ever own. Each Honda I've owned since I like less.

[LS1Hawk]

For what reason, precisely. I'm just interested. Was it because the seat was going to catch on fire? Because car will accelerate uncontrollably? Breaks don't work?

Actually, she has had problems with the seat motor :lol: She brought it in a few times because it is ungodly slow. They replaced the seat and it still wasn't right. The dealer then told her, "Accords just have bad seats." Around 15K miles she needed new brakes. She drives 90% highway...but even so I don't know how brakes can go bad that quick. And recently it has had some trouble starting...not taken in yet.

[PolarBear]

My family and gf had 4 honda's in total. Honda CR-V, Civic, Accord, and Fit. Do you know the number of time that they were brought to the dealer for some kinda of problem? Once, the TPMS sensor would not go away on my gf Fit, it had to be reset. My family has owned some kind of Honda for good ten years or so with absolutely zero problems - that would be 0 dollars invested besides initial investment/purchase price of the car + plus some maintenance.


I have owned 4 newer GM vihicles and I can say I havent had any major problems with any of them. EVERYONE has a story about how this or that vehicle was great and the entire time I owned it I didnt have any problems. I used to work at a garage and ALL vehicles come in with regular problems that all cars have. Doesnt mean Honda is better than any other company

[BonzoHansen]

How about the mid 90s honda accords that all ate distributors. lol

[BigAls87Z28]

My friend's Civic Si will jump out of third. And apparently a lot of them do it. The recall was done and did not fix the issue, so Honda said "tough"...

Yeah, its a huge problem with Si's.

So it takes 1 dead person for Honda to make a recall, it takes about 18 dead people for Toyota to make a recall, and for GM it takes over 1800 people (actually they never made a recall in that case.) :lol:

Didn't someone just make a recall because heated seats were catching on fire? :lol:

Yes, 1800 give or take. :rolleyes:
Its possible it has been more then 18 people died from a Toyota problem. And death doesnt always have to be a result in poor quality. How many countless sludge motors were passed off in the 90's and early 00's on the owners? How long was Toyota going to blame people for smashing the floor mat up under the gas pedal?

No one died in a Vibe, yet GM recalled the car because they MIGHT have a problem.

[FlyingDutchman]

wait... what about hondas ?? additional recalls over driver side airbags see the link!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Honda-expands-airbag-apf-1368738192.html?x=0

yahoo!

[Savage_Messiah]

Honda airbag recall is insane. Been going on for MONTHS (they ship the airbags back to the company thru fedex ground, I see them every day)

[Tsar]

Yeah, its a huge problem with Si's.



Yes, 1800 give or take. :rolleyes:
Its possible it has been more then 18 people died from a Toyota problem. And death doesnt always have to be a result in poor quality. How many countless sludge motors were passed off in the 90's and early 00's on the owners? How long was Toyota going to blame people for smashing the floor mat up under the gas pedal?

No one died in a Vibe, yet GM recalled the car because they MIGHT have a problem.
There's no need to get your panties all twisted up over statistics, I didn't make them up. You can thank GM for doing such a good job.

As far as sludge motors go, lets just say that; dead people > sludge motors. Which one would you pick :lol:



Oh and I saw the Honda recall today, when I woke up :lol:

Looks like I made a right decision by avoiding all of those companies. :mrgreen:

[Mike]

Looks like I made a right decision by avoiding all of those companies. :mrgreen:

http://www.mahalo.com/bmw-recall

http://www.automotive.com/new-cars/recalls/01/bmw/index.html

http://www.allworldauto.com/recalls/NHTSA_09V474000_2010_MINI_COOPER_recall_101932.htm l

everyone has their problems, the bigger deal here is toyotas attempt to cover it up and all the information coming out that they may have known about it for 2 years and claimed it wasnt happening.

[WildBillyT]

http://www.mahalo.com/bmw-recall

http://www.automotive.com/new-cars/recalls/01/bmw/index.html

http://www.allworldauto.com/recalls/NHTSA_09V474000_2010_MINI_COOPER_recall_101932.htm l

everyone has their problems, the bigger deal here is toyotas attempt to cover it up and all the information coming out that they may have known about it for 2 years and claimed it wasnt happening.

On top of that it's a ****load of cars, and seems like the list grows every day.

[Tsar]

http://www.mahalo.com/bmw-recall

http://www.automotive.com/new-cars/recalls/01/bmw/index.html

http://www.allworldauto.com/recalls/NHTSA_09V474000_2010_MINI_COOPER_recall_101932.htm l

everyone has their problems, the bigger deal here is toyotas attempt to cover it up and all the information coming out that they may have known about it for 2 years and claimed it wasnt happening.

Hey I never said other manufacturers didn't make recalls. Why do people insist on putting words in my mouth?

However, when you have car companies recalling cars that can kills you, the following is hardly anything to worry about, at least for me.

�TIRE SELECTION AND RIMS.� THE AFFECTED VEHICLES WERE EQUIPPED WITH 17 INCH WHEELS, BUT THEIR LABEL STATES THAT THEY WERE EQUIPPED WITH 16 INCH WHEELS.

So BMW gave their customers a wrong label that no one ever looks at.... Yes, bad BMW but I'll pick that over fire catching heated seats :lol:

And the fix? New sticker + 2 hp!

Just saying...

But yea to restate, Yes everyone makes mistakes. However, some make BIGGER mistakes than others.

[Mike]

.

So BMW gave their customers 17's vs 16's.... Poor customers :lol:.

quote the whole thing at least, they gave the wrong recommended tire pressures as well, potential blow outs ftw :rofl:

[Tsar]

Question about GM and recall, didn't want to make a new thread because this was already all over the place but did GM end up recalling those early camaro's with wheel weights on the side of brake calipers? Or do customers get stuck with the ugly calipers?

[Tsar]

quote the whole thing at least, they gave the wrong recommended tire pressures as well, potential blow outs ftw :rofl:

Yea I corrected it, but yea normal people don't even look at that thing. Plus if you inflate your 16's,17's,18's or w/e to 30-35 psi **** is not gonna explode...

[Mike]

Question about GM and recall, didn't want to make a new thread because this was already all over the place but did GM end up recalling those early camaro's with wheel weights on the side of brake calipers? Or do customers get stuck with the ugly calipers?

i believe they were going to do a tsb once they got enough dealer stock in to change them over. i don't think it was going to be a recall because it was an aesthetic thing rather than a brakes not working thing... but, i don't KNOW this i am just trying to remember

[BonzoHansen]

I just read where State Farm told Toyota and the NHTSA about this problem in 2007. Nice.


I remember when BMW recalled the original 540s (mid 90s) because the air intake went down to the bottom of the car and hitting a puddle would lead to hydrolock! lol

[BigAls87Z28]

Yeah, I think once Brembo starts making more calipers, we will see a TSB on them, not a recall.

[Tsar]

I just read where State Farm told Toyota and the NHTSA about this problem in 2007. Nice.


I remember when BMW recalled the original 540s (mid 90s) because the air intake went down to the bottom of the car and hitting a puddle would lead to hydrolock! lol
I'm glad I didn't own that car :lol:

[BonzoHansen]

The BMW dealer where we got parts from had 3 wasted engines sitting on the floor one day. :)

[Tsar]

The BMW dealer where we got parts from had 3 wasted engines sitting on the floor one day. :)
Pff, at least they didn't catch on fire..

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2626/3717128435_e15e53e5c2_m.jpg

It looked brand spanking new from behind.

[Tsar]

Also last time I went to a BMW dealer I saw this. Lug nuts were scattered around the area... Pretty sure this wasn't done by the dealer.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2466/3997063006_c4227a33b8_m.jpg

[BigAls87Z28]

If thats a 335i...I want the engine!

[Tsar]

If thats a 335i...I want the engine!
From what I saw it was a big clumpy mess, everything under the hood was melted. We were told the owner of that was going through litigation with the dealer or bmw, and they were just storing it there. From what I remember, high pressure fuel line somehow disconnected and well that started a fiery blaze. This was back in July, so my memory might be slightly off.

[Tsar]

If thats a 335i...I want the engine!
Found under the hood picture.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2500/3717945298_13beb63f1e_m.jpg

[BigAls87Z28]

The plastic locks int he freshness....

Such a shame...I love the 3 series coupe.

[BigAls87Z28]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704820904575055733096312238.html?r u=yahoo&mod=yahoo_hs

The heart of Toyota's problem: Its secretive corporate culture in Japan clashed with U.S. requirements that auto makers disclose safety threats, people familiar with the matter say. The relationship soured even though Toyota had hired two former NHTSA officials to manage its ties with the agency.

Toyota's troubles spread Tuesday when it recalled all Priuses to address a braking problem, even as executives suggested the step was unnecessary.

Toyota acknowledges the rift with regulators. "Believe me, we have changed our mind-set," said Shinichi Sasaki, Toyota's quality chief, referring to a heated December confrontation in Tokyo with NHTSA officials over floor mats. "We don't believe this is going to be a problem in the future. We are completely on the same page with NHTSA."

Toyota's woes have roots in 2002's redesigned Camry sedan, which featured a new type of gas pedal. Instead of physically connecting to the engine with a mechanical cable, the new pedal used electronic sensors to send signals to a computer controlling the engine. The same technology migrated to cars including Toyota's luxury Lexus ES sedan. The main advantage is fuel efficiency.

[Tsar]

So someone is trying to blame drive by wire?

[BonzoHansen]

So someone is trying to blame drive by wire?

that system is the problem. they way they designed their pedal and software. all this could still be electrical interference and not the pedal. they software fix where brake pedal input overrides gas pedal input is standard on most cars but not theirs - they are adding it from what I've read.

I have not heard a wholesale fingerpointing at DBW across the board. That would impact every automaker.

[BigAls87Z28]

Finger pointing you mean.

I have never had a problem with drive by wire. Or steer by wire.

[sweetbmxrider]

i have seen a few, nothing serious like this though. all cars have issues though, this is just one that kills people.

[BonzoHansen]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/coldbastrd/toyota.jpg

[Frosty]

LOL@Bonzo

That guy is, er, was the man.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Finger pointing you mean.

I have never had a problem with drive by wire. Or steer by wire.





i have :-?

[Brendan713]

Die toyota die!!!!

[Untamed]

My 2005 Camry has the DBW, and I have a noticable lag in response that I don't recall having in other mechanical systems that I've had in past cars.

Then again it could just be the 4 cyl vs. the 6's and 8's I've had. This is my first 4cyl. The delayed response to pedal pressure drives me crazy. Having said that though, I haven't had a major problem with my Camry.

[BigAls87Z28]

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f38/regulators-hired-toyota-helped-halt-investigations-89044/#post1980635

Hits keep on comin'

Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Former regulators hired by Toyota Motor Corp. helped end at least four U.S. investigations of unintended acceleration by company vehicles in the last decade, warding off possible recalls, court and government records show.

Christopher Tinto, vice president of regulatory affairs in Toyota’s Washington office, and Christopher Santucci, who works for Tinto, helped persuade the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to end probes including those of 2002-2003 Toyota Camrys and Solaras, court documents show. Both men joined Toyota directly from NHTSA, Tinto in 1994 and Santucci in 2003.

While all automakers have employees who handle NHTSA issues, Toyota may be alone among the major companies in employing former agency staffers to do so. Spokesmen for General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co., Chrysler Group LLC and Honda Motor Co. all say their companies have no ex-NHTSA people who deal with the agency on defects.

Possible links between Toyota and NHTSA may fuel mounting criticism of their handling of defects in Toyota and Lexus models tied to 19 deaths between 2004 and 2009. Three congressional committees have scheduled hearings on the recalls.

“Toyota bamboozled NHTSA or NHTSA was bamboozled by itself,” said Joan Claybrook, an auto safety advocate and former NHTSA administrator in the Jimmy Carter administration. “I think there is going to be a lot of heat on NHTSA over this.”

[LS1Hawk]

Anyone have anything new on the Toyota debacle?

[Frosty]

They're idling 2 of their plants for a bit, one in KY and the other in TX, just a few days here and there.

[BigAls87Z28]

A bunch of governers say that the current administration is being too harsh on Toyota because they gain by owning GM. Surprisingly these are govs in states where Toyota has plants.

[BonzoHansen]

Now I am reading where Toyota is making it difficult for authorities to read in car 'black boxes', data event recorders. The 3 US makers make their formats available.

[Frosty]

A bunch of governers say that the current administration is being too harsh on Toyota because they gain by owning GM. Surprisingly these are govs in states where Toyota has plants.

It's funny you say that, I thought about the whole "Government Motors" conspiracy, I wouldn't put it past this Administration but I don't think it's true.


Now I am reading where Toyota is making it difficult for authorities to read in car 'black boxes', data event recorders. The 3 US makers make their formats available.

If that's true that's messed up...I thought Toyota was a different company than the Big 3? :rolleyes:

[sweetbmxrider]

If that's true that's messed up...I thought Toyota was a different company than the Big 3? :rolleyes:

they are, you sign your will when you sign for the car! :rofl:

[Frosty]

:rofl:

[BigAls87Z28]

It's funny you say that, I thought about the whole "Government Motors" conspiracy, I wouldn't put it past this Administration but I don't think it's true.


Your politics is showing.

People are dying. Toyota has not been forthcoming with info.
They have history possibly hiding their problems.
I personally dont think the current admin is doing enough. They should be lynching these bastards. But thats me.

[LS1Hawk]

I just read this:

Following nearly 9 million vehicle recalls, a government agency announced on Monday that it has received an influx of complaints involving Toyota (http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota.htm) vehicles. The new allegations have yet to be verified, but the spike in complaints does not bode well for Toyota.More at link: http://www.leftlanenews.com/nhtsa-reports-spike-in-complaints-involving-toyota-models.html

[Frosty]

Your politics is showing.

People are dying. Toyota has not been forthcoming with info.
They have history possibly hiding their problems.
I personally dont think the current admin is doing enough. They should be lynching these bastards. But thats me.

It's funny you say that, I thought about the whole "Government Motors" conspiracy, I wouldn't put it past this Administration but I don't think it's true.


Please reread the text in bold, kthanxbye

[T69SS]

I just read this:

More at link: http://www.leftlanenews.com/nhtsa-reports-spike-in-complaints-involving-toyota-models.html

Possible glitches in Toyotas throttle software....
I wouldnt be surprised if Toyota has been cutting corners big time over the last ten years just to save a few bucks

[BigAls87Z28]

Ill put money that this is a software issue. The prob with the accleration is that the cars WON'T stop or the brakes do nothing when applied. The Pontiac vibe can overcome the car but a camry cannot.

[Frosty]

Al, now will these recalls work for the Vibe? Will GM go after Toyota to fix them?

[BigAls87Z28]

Yeah GM recalled the Vibe without the goverment telling them or without a case of vibes running away from the driver.

[Frosty]

But will it be GM's problem to fix them or Toyota's?

[BigAls87Z28]

GM. Dealers have already gotten the propper parts to fix the problem.

You know, this goes back to 2006 when I was talking to then head of Pontiac/Buick/GMC PR and Media. We were talking about the next gen Vibe around the corner. He said that GM wanted to put Ecotec motors in them, but Toyota would not agree to that due to the contract or whatever. GM wanted a more powerful power plant, and they settled that the Toyota 2.4 4cyl would make it.
I wonder if a GM powertrain, with powertrain controls would have stopped that from happening.

[sweetbmxrider]

so how does the lemon law play into this?

[Frosty]

so how does the lemon law play into this?

It doesn't.

[sweetbmxrider]

why not? new cars that they said they fixed over and over again. reported incidents that date back several years. how is that not a lemon?

[V]

lemon law refers to one particular issue of a specific car brought it 3 or more times and going unrepaired. not a model of car in gneral.

if some one brought their car in 3 times for it accelerating on its own, and the dealer said they fixed it 3 times, and there was still in issue, then thats lemon law..

[Frosty]

lemon law refers to one particular issue of a specific car brought it 3 or more times and going unrepaired. not a model of car in gneral.

if some one brought their car in 3 times for it accelerating on its own, and the dealer said they fixed it 3 times, and there was still in issue, then thats lemon law..

This

[maroman88]

just saw on the news that they may be recalling the corolla as well for a power steering issue

[LS1Hawk]

Saw that this morning, too. Toyota is never going to be able to live all of this down.

[sweetbmxrider]

lemon law refers to one particular issue of a specific car brought it 3 or more times and going unrepaired. not a model of car in gneral.

if some one brought their car in 3 times for it accelerating on its own, and the dealer said they fixed it 3 times, and there was still in issue, then thats lemon law..

ya i know. it seemed like there were incidents that people complained several times about it. i dono its really not a big deal

[FlyingDutchman]

p/s issue

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Toyota-probes-Corolla-apf-3512653649.html?x=0

yahoo!

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Another article on it... http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fgw-toyota-recall-toyoda17-2010feb17,0,400135.story . They have 30 days to share report about gas pedals, and still need 3rd party investigation.

[LS1Hawk]

I also heard on the news this morning that Toyoda of Toyota is not going to speak at the Congressional hearings.

[Tsar]

I also heard on the news this morning that Toyoda of Toyota is not going to speak at the Congressional hearings.
Why would a retired 96 year old executive of an alien corporation speak in front of Congress?

[BonzoHansen]

I think that means the current guy in charge.

[Tsar]

I think that means the current guy in charge.
Fujio Cho.

Why would a CEO of an alien corporation speak in front of American Congress?

As a side note, does he speak English?

[BonzoHansen]

News I heard today was they wanted Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda. And he does speak English. Plus they do have interpreters now. Don’t really know why other than to do what congress does best at hearings. Go congressional tough guy.

[Tsar]

News I heard today was they wanted Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda. And he does speak English. Plus they do have interpreters now. Don’t really know why other than to do what congress does best at hearings. Go congressional tough guy.
Did they forget that Japan wasn't in America?

[LS1Hawk]

Yes, Akio Toyoda was the one I was referring to.

[sweetbmxrider]

Did they forget that Japan wasn't in America?

are you retarded? cause something isn't branded made in america means we have to bend over and take it? seriously, you are something special.

[WildBillyT]

are you retarded? cause something isn't branded made in america means we have to bend over and take it? seriously, you are something special.

I took it as him saying that a Japanese company is not bound to listen to blowhard American politicians since they are not American. Gee, there's that pesky "doesn't matter that they build in the USA they are still Japanese" thing again. I find it kind of funny that Congress is all upset about possible cover-ups, etc. That type of thing is standard operating procedure in Asia.

[sweetbmxrider]

alls i know is there are dead people and no answers. ****ed up.

[BurninrubberGT]

just saw on the news that they may be recalling the corolla as well for a power steering issue

ya I saw that, they just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper..

so your throttle sticks, you hit the brakes but they are also defective, so you go to steer and it doesnt respond...great job toyota

the best part is the vibe, which was recalled, can easily be stopped at WOT with gm's brake systems

[Tsar]

are you retarded? cause something isn't branded made in america means we have to bend over and take it? seriously, you are something special.
American laws do not go past American borders, it's as simple as that. Other countries do not care about what Congress wants to ask, and who they want to question. Seems like you're the retarded one.

What's next, Congress is gonna summon Russian president and ask him about Human rights violations in Chechnya?


I took it as him saying that a Japanese company is not bound to listen to blowhard American politicians since they are not American. Gee, there's that pesky "doesn't matter that they build in the USA they are still Japanese" thing again. I find it kind of funny that Congress is all upset about possible cover-ups, etc. That type of thing is standard operating procedure in Asia.
Exactly, they are not.

[Frosty]

I read that he would appear if requested by Congress but as of right now the US execs are handling it, which is appropriate. Their stock is tanking worse than Enron(ok, slight exaggeration).

There is no Toyoda, there is only Zuuuul(Family Guy reference)

[Tsar]

I read that he would appear if requested by Congress but as of right now the US execs are handling it, which is appropriate. Their stock is tanking worse than Enron(ok, slight exaggeration).

There is no Toyoda, there is only Zuuuul(Family Guy reference)If he volunteers, that's one thing, but he is not obligated to do anything for the Congress.

Plus there's no point in it anyways, what is congress gonna do? And it's not like if he "lies" anything will be done about it, after all he will be back in Japan as soon as he is done.

[Frosty]

Oh I completely agree. It's a catch 22 for him...not going may look shady...going won't accomplish anything in front of Congress.

[BonzoHansen]

American laws do not go past American borders, it's as simple as that. Other countries do not care about what Congress wants to ask, and who they want to question. Seems like you're the retarded one.

What's next, Congress is gonna summon Russian president and ask him about Human rights violations in Chechnya?



Exactly, they are not.
It does not mean they cannot ask. I can ask you to go jump off a bridge. But it does not mean you have to. I agree he really has no reason to.

And your Russian example is not analogous; this is about a company doing business in a highly regulated market within the US borders.

[WildBillyT]

I read that he would appear if requested by Congress but as of right now the US execs are handling it, which is appropriate. Their stock is tanking worse than Enron(ok, slight exaggeration).

There is no Toyoda, there is only Zuuuul(Family Guy reference)


FAIL. Family Guy?

[Frosty]

FAIL. Family Guy?

Yeeeeessssss, Pete a reference in one episode.(can't remember the movie/show he was referencing though)

BTW, when I want your opinion I'll give it to you, k?

:mrgreen::moon:

[WildBillyT]

If he volunteers, that's one thing, but he is not obligated to do anything for the Congress.

Plus there's no point in it anyways, what is congress gonna do? And it's not like if he "lies" anything will be done about it, after all he will be back in Japan as soon as he is done.

Absolutely. Asian companies don't operate like US ones with all of our associated BS or even a similar code of ethics. Theirs is considered much worse compared to ours (by the Europeans).


So, who's going to rent Gung-Ho tonight? LOL.

[Tsar]

And your Russian example is not analogous; this is about a company doing business in a highly regulated market within the US borders.

My example was referring to asking a citizen of another country to be questioned in front of Congress in order to "get to the bottom" of the "truth", or w/e they want to call it.

Did EU question Bill Gates about "his" monopoly? I'm pretty sure they made the reps get out the anal lube, but Bill Gates.

Congress can fine or w/e they wanna do to Toyota as a company that does business on their soil. However, CEO and Toyota are not the same entity, neither is the CEO obligated to do squat for the Congress. I don't see what's so difficult to understand.

[WildBillyT]

Yeeeeessssss, Pete a reference in one episode.(can't remember the movie/show he was referencing though)

BTW, when I want your opinion I'll give it to you, k?

:mrgreen::moon:

Sorry, I was under the impression that you had seen Ghostbusters.

[Frosty]

Sorry, I was under the impression that you had seen Ghostbusters.

AH! That's it! I couldn't remember what movie he was referencing, yes I've seen the movies...just having a brain fart so I referenced Family Guy instead.

[sweetbmxrider]

American laws do not go past American borders, it's as simple as that. Other countries do not care about what Congress wants to ask, and who they want to question. Seems like you're the retarded one.

What's next, Congress is gonna summon Russian president and ask him about Human rights violations in Chechnya?

so the plants that toyota owns on american soil are now part of japan? really?

[BigAls87Z28]

Then he hangs with his company. I think that it shows arrogance.
They have been playing up the Americanness of it all, but if they are gunna put that guy they have been throwing in every morning talk show for the past month, in front of congress, I hope he gets the same thrashing that the Big 3 got.
I want to hear "why cant you make quality cars like the Domestics?"
I also would love to hear from Sen.Shelby on the matter.

[BonzoHansen]

My example was referring to asking a citizen of another country to be questioned in front of Congress in order to "get to the bottom" of the "truth", or w/e they want to call it.

Did EU question Bill Gates about "his" monopoly? I'm pretty sure they made the reps get out the anal lube, but Bill Gates.

Congress can fine or w/e they wanna do to Toyota as a company that does business on their soil. However, CEO and Toyota are not the same entity, neither is the CEO obligated to do squat for the Congress. I don't see what's so difficult to understand.

So you are saying congress has zero right to even ask, regardless of the situation? And if the CEO was here in the states does that change the answer?

And CEO and company are the same entity to a degree.

[WildBillyT]

So you are saying congress has zero right to even ask, regardless of the situation?

And CEO and company are the same entity to a degree.

They can ask, sure. But people shouldn't be surprised that he said FU since he's not obligated to do anything.

[BonzoHansen]

They can ask, sure. But people shouldn't be surprised that he said FU since he's not obligated to do anything.

Agreed.

[Frosty]

They can ask, sure. But people shouldn't be surprised that he said FU since he's not obligated to do anything.

:werd:

[LTb1ow]

so the plants that toyota owns on american soil are now part of japan? really?

fo sho? :?:

When do the pitch forks and torches come about?

[PolarBear]

Toyota USA and Toyota are different companies so there really is no need for Toyoda to come to the USA

[LTb1ow]

so the plants that toyota owns on american soil are now part of japan? really?



So what do these variants of toyota answer too if they are not in fact, toyota?

[Tsar]

so the plants that toyota owns on american soil are now part of japan? really?You have zero grasp of this whole "multi national corporation" thing, should have red a book or something.

So you are saying congress has zero right to even ask, regardless of the situation? And if the CEO was here in the states does that change the answer?

And CEO and company are the same entity to a degree.

My answer will not change no matter the location of the Chairman, he is a citizen of a different country. Congress has no authority to question him, unless he is being charged with a crime. If that's the case, I'm sure US Attorney's office will question his attorney. However, we all know this isn't the case, they probably just want to lead some other stupid witch hunt, and question him why he flew his private jet and polluted American airspace, instead of flying coach. Nothing good will come out of this "questioning", so there's no need for it.

You care to point out to what degree they are the same thing? The public views them as the same, yes. But you gotta remember that the public is pretty stupid, on average. Executives are rarely held liable for what their company does, unless there's some malicious intent on their part, or they are co-mingling funds, which to our knowledge isn't the case here. I seriously doubt, that the CEO of Toyota was the mastermind behind this fiasco.

[sweetbmxrider]

then who is to be held responsible? since apparently the people in charge aren't really in charge the way you put it.

[Tsar]

then who is to be held responsible? since apparently the people in charge aren't really in charge the way you put it.
Toyota Motor Company bears the responsibility and financial burden of this fiasco. If the US government finds them guilty of something, which they will not, they can place fines on the corporation that will have to pay, in addition to coming up with some useless regulations. That's about it.

If CEO masterminded the plan where he wanted to kill thousands of Americans by giving them ****** gas pedals, and messing with their brakes then yea he could be held liable. But as far as the law goes, Corporation is it's own entity, that bears its on responsibility. The few times that CEO's are indicted for crimes of the corporations have been described above.

[sweetbmxrider]

then someone should tell congress.


apparently some japanese citizens have come forward with the same complaints though. guess the issue is affecting both sides now.

[LTb1ow]

then someone should tell congress.


apparently some japanese citizens have come forward with the same complaints though. guess the issue is affecting both sides now.

People have, cept that they are all the workers and what not from US toyota factories... lobbying does work in the grand ole US of A. I wanna own a senator one day.

[Tsar]

then someone should tell congress.


Most politicians have law degrees (from what I remember), and what we are talking about here is Business Law 100, week 2, right after the syllabus week is over.

They are just it for show and image..

[LS1Hawk]

then who is to be held responsible? since apparently the people in charge aren't really in charge the way you put it.

Toyota Motor Company bears the responsibility and financial burden of this fiasco. If the US government finds them guilty of something, which they will not, they can place fines on the corporation that will have to pay, in addition to coming up with some useless regulations. That's about it.

If CEO masterminded the plan where he wanted to kill thousands of Americans by giving them ****** gas pedals, and messing with their brakes then yea he could be held liable. But as far as the law goes, Corporation is it's own entity, that bears its on responsibility. The few times that CEO's are indicted for crimes of the corporations have been described above.

In all fairness, if they want to point a finger at the CEO it can't really be put on Toyoda, you'd have to blame Watanbe or Cho. Toyoda took over in June '09, mainly because he felt the company was being dragged down the ***ter and management had gotten too high on becoming #1.

[FlyingDutchman]

Toyoda to testify before Congress (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Toyotas-president-to-testify-apf-2828746813.html?x=0)

yahoo!

[Tsar]

Toyota is great at PR!

[BonzoHansen]

I will say this...based on the actions of MLB and the NFL, it appears the threat of being in front of congress is enough to get action. So the dog & pony show may have no real teeth but still leaves a mark.

[BigAls87Z28]

If congress can do the same dance they did for the Big 3, and have the Toyota execs to just look like they are disconnected from the world, then the public will take care of the rest.

[Tsar]

If congress can do the same dance they did for the Big 3, and have the Toyota execs to just look like they are disconnected from the world, then the public will take care of the rest.
Fanbois will not be swayed by factual information...

[FlyingDutchman]

Fanbois will not be swayed by factual information...

Sad, but very true.

[Tru2Chevy]

Fanbois are not the concern. The people "we" would want to sway are the average car buyers with little to no car knowledge that just assume that all Toyotas are better than all Chevys.

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

Fanbois will not be swayed by factual information...

that sentence could be used for a lot of conversations. :lol:

[Tsar]

Fanbois are not the concern. The people "we" would want to sway are the average car buyers with little to no car knowledge that just assume that all Toyotas are better than all Chevys.

- Justin

Based on my experiences "regular" people don't pay any attention to this, and even if they do it's minimal.

If I asked my mother what she knew about Toyota, right now, she wouldn't say much - she would say it's a reliable car based on the fact that she has heard it from other people... Real world data doesn't get to her, unless I tell her. (I'm the family car/maintance consultant :lol: ) When she watches TV, I can assure you it will not be automotive news, or Congress annoying Toyoda.

Take my g'sf mother, she couldn't care less if MB becomes the biggest POS tomorrow, she will still buy one - because it projects the image she wants. She doesn't want to drive a Chevy, or a Ford, or a BMW for that matter. It's MB or Porsche, nothing else. Solely based on the image, quality has 0 to do with her decisions.

In my opinion, people who pay attention to auto news are already above "average" car person. Hell the "average" can't replace a bulb, even if it takes less than one minute.

Of course, as an admin, you're allowed to disagree and I will not call you a bad name :mrgreen:

[LS1Hawk]

Based on my experiences "regular" people don't pay any attention to this, and even if they do it's minimal.

True, but "regular" people account for most of the car sales. Those are also the same people that say they won't buy American because their mother's accountant's ex-wife's sister in-law had a Ford that broke down 20 years ago. Popular opinion has always been that Toyotas are worry free. Now that opinion is shifting, and could make more people buy American. Personally, I think it won't be that easy. Most will just buy a different import brand, because the other popular sentiment that imports are better than domestics is still something the American car brands are fighting to get over.

[BigAls87Z28]

Regular people watch the news, surf the web, and for the most part pay attention to what is going on.
If this was just on car sites, then no one cares.
But its on all major networks, its all over the place. Its on Yahoo and other sites.
People looing to buy a car, which are the ones that would want this info, are looking at auto sites. And with that, they will see this info.
And with that info, they will question the quality of Toyota. And anyone that does a bit more research then reading a paper, magazine, or even overhearing it. will find out that this rabbit hole goes deeper.

And thats all that really matters. They dont have to know the details, but the more this comes out, and the longer it goes on, and the longer Toyota dances around it, then its going to become a bigger problem.
GM, Ford and Chrysler didnt fall from grace because they had one problem. It was a slow death that went on for about 20 years. This will continue to go on and on, and now that if anyone just raises a question about quality of toyota, thats all it will take for more and more people to go to other brands, be it Big 3 or others. When they get there, they will realize that these cars are very good, and that Toyota isnt as cracked up as they thought it was.
When more people do that, Toyota's star will fall.

[Frosty]

You're absolutely right Al, unfortunately people will now look to Hyundai or Nissan...even with Toyota's issues it won't mean more sales for GM or Ford IMO.

[BigAls87Z28]

No, but it means less for Toyota.
Hyundai yes, Nissan no. They rode the coat tails of Honda and Toyota into the world of "quality" but they lack it by a good margin.

[Frosty]

Well they haven't had any major recalls like Toyota and Hon-duh which is why I named them.

[BigAls87Z28]

Agreed, but I dont think that toyota people are nissan people.
Hyundai and Honda sure. Maybe Buick could gain some people. Chevy maybe some.

[NastyEllEssWon]

buicks problem is that they have no repeat customers, seeing as how its the last car you buy before you die

[BigAls87Z28]

Thousands of comedians are out of a job, and here you are trying to be one.

[Frosty]

:popcorn:

[NastyEllEssWon]

Thousands of comedians are out of a job, and here you are trying to be one.





ok mr. im gonna buy a new camaro but got an impalibu instead.
time to get back to the gm nut swinging and psuedo gm publicist fanboying

[Frosty]

That's a big word....

[Tsar]

ok mr. im gonna buy a new camaro but got an impalibu instead.
time to get back to the gm nut swinging and psuedo gm publicist fanboying:rofl:

[BigAls87Z28]

ok mr. im gonna buy a new camaro but got an impalibu instead.
time to get back to the gm nut swinging and psuedo gm publicist fanboying

**** happens, priorites change, and dealers were in the middle of a rapefest with the price of the car.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

One of my professors just said "TQM, Toyota Quality Management, is more like Toyota Quagmire Management" :lol:

[LS1Hawk]

More **** for Toyota's fan:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/document-reveals-toyota-saved-100m-on-quick-fix-recall-in-2007.html

By convincing safety officials that the sudden acceleration complaints were related to defective floor mats and not sticky gas pedals, Toyota says it saved over $100 million in recall costs. The document lists the $100 million savings in a section titled “Wins for Toyota-Safety Group.”

[BigAls87Z28]

One of my professors just said "TQM, Toyota Quality Management, is more like Toyota Quagmire Management" :lol:


Giggity

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/108880/quagmire.jpg

[Fast92RS]

Here is some more about it.

Was Toyota Bragging When It Saved $100M In Recall?http://autos.aol.com/article/toyota-documents-subpoenaed

[NastyEllEssWon]

**** happens, priorites change, and dealers were in the middle of a rapefest with the price of the car.




patience is a virtue.





Back on topic, Toyota will survive, Hyundai will prosper.

[Masonite]

Dear Toyota, lives are at risk, so just get that **** fixed. Kthxbai.

http://thevirtuousrepublic.com/?p=5341

[BigAls87Z28]

Toyota will survive, but they will get thier lashings and they will never be the same.

[T69SS]

Toyota will survive, but they will get thier lashings and they will never be the same.

Which is ok with me, they needed to be brought down a notch or two

[LS1Hawk]

House panel determines Toyota misled public:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/house-panel-determines-toyota-misled-public.html

[Tsar]

Ten best cars were named, guess what? :lol: Toyota is number 1!

Clicky (http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/autos/1002/gallery.consumer_reports_top_picks/index.html?hpt=T2)

In before some of you blow a gasket :lol:

[WildBillyT]

Ten best cars were named, guess what? :lol: Toyota is number 1!

Clicky (http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/autos/1002/gallery.consumer_reports_top_picks/index.html?hpt=T2)

In before some of you blow a gasket :lol:

Consumer Reports :rofl::rofl:

[Tsar]

Consumer Reports :rofl::rofl:
That's what "average" people read. Didn't someone tell me that's what matters most?

[WildBillyT]

That's what "average" people read. Didn't someone tell me that's what matters most?

Yup. It does matter a lot. I'd love to see their criteria algorithm, though. I cannot think of an example but they rated a few cars/trucks as "good buys" in the past that were panned by the auto magazines. Same deal with some of their other products- Behr paint comes to mind.

[Tsar]

Yup. It does matter a lot. I'd love to see their criteria algorithm, though. I cannot think of an example but they rated a few cars/trucks as "good buys" in the past that were panned by the auto magazines. Same deal with some of their other products- Behr paint comes to mind.
Dunno their algorithm, I just know that old people read them and then tell me what car is good or bad :lol:

My mom read a consumer report about her car, SRX, and it said it was the worst thing in the world since Osama Bin Laden, and will no doubt break, explode and kill her children. She was terrified and said she would never would have purchased the car is she read it before hand. I asked her if anything consumer report said happened and she said no. I told her to chuck that piece of garbage, and not to listen to idiots (someone also told her that there are 51 states... so she asked me).

[WildBillyT]

Dunno their algorithm, I just know that old people read them and then tell me what car is good or bad :lol:

My mom read a consumer report about her car, SRX, and it said it was the worst thing in the world since Osama Bin Laden, and will no doubt break, explode and kill her children. She was terrified and said she would never would have purchased the car is she read it before hand. I asked her if anything consumer report said happened and she said no. I told her to chuck that piece of garbage, and not to listen to idiots (someone also told her that there are 51 states... so she asked me).

LOL. My mom also has an SRX, and she loves the thing. I'll let you know when it transforms into a Decipticon and starts shooting up preschools.

They also gave the LS1 engine a big black circle in every application it was ever in, saying it got bad mileage. Meanwhile, it made more power and got better mileage that some of the import sixes that got red circles. Go figure.

A lot of the stuff they write about regular products is pretty good, I'm not going to deny that. They just have some real misses where it almost looks like they are taking bribes. The paint thing pisses me off. I helped friends paint every room in 3 houses with Behr paint. EVERY time it sucked. Especially the ceiling paint. I warned against using it after the experience with the first house but to no avail. We had different crews of people each time. I use Sherwin-Williams now and it's a LOT better, but it got a "meh" white circle.

[Blacdout96]

Well they haven't had any major recalls like Toyota and Hon-duh which is why I named them.

Nothing on the news, but the 2.5's in the Altimas and what not have severe problems resulting in excessive oil consumption due to the pre-cat getting screwed up by faulty sensors, sending crap into the cylinder walls, scratchign the hell outta them, and the rest is history. What's Nissans fix? they replace the pre-cat, and send you on your way, knowing your cylinder walls are already toast. And if that doesnt work, then they have to replace the whole motor, but all the people I have talked to said they went in for the recall, they jsut replaced their pre-cats which didn't fix it, and when they went back to get the motor replace, Nissan said tough, you came in for the recall already, can't do it again!! I don't know how my mothers car DIDN'T have that happen to her, but it's a pretty common thing depending on when yuo took it in for the recall and the time you drove around scratching up the walls. Some people report a quart evry two weeks, or the womans car I work on, 3 quarts every two weeks!!

The other major recall is the crank/cam sensor crapping out and the engine shutting off/stalling while in movement. They change the part, and update the software, but even though this problem is known to be happening as far back as 2002, they only made the recall going by your VIN#. nissan is ****, just like the other two, but my mother doesnt seem to understand that.

None fo these recalls were life threatening, but when your paying for a $20+K car, and they turn you away because they didnt fix the problem the factory produced.....well they'll never see me buy from them.

[Frosty]

I know about those issues, just nothing that was media worthy, again which is why I named them. ;) The had some issues with the Maxima trans too.

You know how people are though, if they're not hammered with info they won't care. Personally the only Asian company I'd buy is Hyundai right now.

[Frosty]

They also gave the LS1 engine a big black circle in every application it was ever in, saying it got bad mileage. Meanwhile, it made more power and got better mileage that some of the import sixes that got red circles. Go figure.



I remember seeing that, made me scratch my head for a while.

[Blacdout96]

I know about those issues, just nothing that was media worthy, again which is why I named them. ;) The had some issues with the Maxima trans too.

You know how people are though, if they're not hammered with info they won't care. Personally the only Asian company I'd buy is Hyundai right now.

Don't get me started on those trans.....

[Frosty]

:rofl:

[BigAls87Z28]

Cr for a long time was giving toyota free passes in quality. They gave the new Tundra high marks but it was plagued with a host of quality issues. Same with the camry.

[BigAls87Z28]

And if anyone is around a TV put on cspan. Lentz has no answers for congress.

[WildBillyT]

And if anyone is around a TV put on cspan. Lentz has no answers for congress.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/02/live-blogging-of-toyota-hearings-toyota-us-president-jim-lentz-testifies/1

Live blogging of it

[miketa95]

Nothing on the news, but the 2.5's in the Altimas and what not have severe problems resulting in excessive oil consumption due to the pre-cat getting screwed up by faulty sensors, sending crap into the cylinder walls, scratchign the hell outta them, and the rest is history. What's Nissans fix? they replace the pre-cat, and send you on your way, knowing your cylinder walls are already toast. And if that doesnt work, then they have to replace the whole motor, but all the people I have talked to said they went in for the recall, they jsut replaced their pre-cats which didn't fix it, and when they went back to get the motor replace, Nissan said tough, you came in for the recall already, can't do it again!! I don't know how my mothers car DIDN'T have that happen to her, but it's a pretty common thing depending on when yuo took it in for the recall and the time you drove around scratching up the walls. Some people report a quart evry two weeks, or the womans car I work on, 3 quarts every two weeks!!

The other major recall is the crank/cam sensor crapping out and the engine shutting off/stalling while in movement. They change the part, and update the software, but even though this problem is known to be happening as far back as 2002, they only made the recall going by your VIN#. nissan is ****, just like the other two, but my mother doesnt seem to understand that.

None fo these recalls were life threatening, but when your paying for a $20+K car, and they turn you away because they didnt fix the problem the factory produced.....well they'll never see me buy from them.

My neighbor bought an altima 2.5, and it exploded on the highway. When I say exploded I mean literally burst into flames. After the incident, they were going to give nissan hell, but the car was recalled that week for the same issue. She bought a Honda Accord after that.

[Frosty]

She bought a Honda Accord after that.

So now her airbags won't work correctly. :D

[LS1Hawk]

Sweet mother of mystery!

FBI Raids Three Toyota Suppliers in Detroit

http://jalopnik.com/5479384/breaking-fbi-raids-three-toyota-suppliers-in-detroit

The AP reports that this potentially creates "new public relations challenges for Toyota plus the prospects - however likely or unlikely - of hefty federal fines or even indictments against executives in the U.S. and Japan. They also complicate Toyota's ability to discuss details driving its recall of 8.5 million vehicles because anything executives say could be used against the company inside a courtroom."

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

I read that the raids were part of an anti-trust thing. Al and I were talking about that this afternoon.

[Tru2Chevy]

I read that the raids were part of an anti-trust thing. Al and I were talking about that this afternoon.

Apparently they aren't sure (from the end of the article linked above):

UPDATE: It's possible this is actually related to a larger investigation into electronics manufacturers who have been charged with fixing prices charged to automakers as part of a cartel. If this is part of that investigation it could mean Toyota is possibly a victim both of unfair trade practices and all the bad press from having their suppliers raided by the FBI.

- Justin

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

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[BigAls87Z28]

Must....get....sticker...

[maroman88]

Must....get....sticker...

YES!!!!!

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

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[BigAls87Z28]

To be fair, GM did just recall 1.3 million Cobalts and G5's for electric power steering issues.
What I think is funny is when the cobalt launched, mags and rags said that the steering system in it felt better and more responsive then the ones in other vehicles like the Malibu and G6.

[LTb1ow]

F toyota, and their damn commercials.

Why doesn't GM play ball with this whole shenanigans?

[BonzoHansen]

what do you mean?

[LTb1ow]

what do you mean?

Well it would make sense to me for GM to advertising more on the fact that their cars do not have issues like this, nor do they withhold the fact that their cars "may" have issues that could lead to lack of braking,steering, or accelerating etc.

Just seems like a logical choice for GM, make the best of the situation for themselves... whatever happened to cutthroat business etc ?

[BigAls87Z28]

Well it would make sense to me for GM to advertising more on the fact that their cars do not have issues like this, nor do they withhold the fact that their cars "may" have issues that could lead to lack of braking,steering, or accelerating etc.

Just seems like a logical choice for GM, make the best of the situation for themselves... whatever happened to cutthroat business etc ?

They are offering several programs for unsatisfied Toyota owners, and all of thier commercials talk about the Travese, Malibu and I belive Nox that got CR Best Buys. There is one for Camaro.

[LTb1ow]

They are offering several programs for unsatisfied Toyota owners.

Have yet to see one, but I have seen quite a few wahhhh wahhh toyota loves you ones...

[NastyEllEssWon]

To be fair, GM did just recall 1.3 million Cobalts and G5's for electric power steering issues.
What I think is funny is when the cobalt launched, mags and rags said that the steering system in it felt better and more responsive then the ones in other vehicles like the Malibu and G6.




like ive mentioned earlier in this thread ive had the column in the ion replaced twice already because of this issue. it was always 100 percent free, no questions asked, dealership was well aware of the problem, recently the column started feeling tight again. so who knows whats going on with these things. cant ask for much when you pay 10k for a brand new car though.

[BonzoHansen]

Well it would make sense to me for GM to advertising more on the fact that their cars do not have issues like this, nor do they withhold the fact that their cars "may" have issues that could lead to lack of braking,steering, or accelerating etc.

Just seems like a logical choice for GM, make the best of the situation for themselves... whatever happened to cutthroat business etc ?

because gm and every other brand is smart enough to know it could happen to them. like nissan today