big oops toyota..

[Mike]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_bi_ge/us_toyota_recall

[Blackbirdws6]

Guess a gas pedal is some new car part that hasn't quite had all the kinks worked out....oh wait

[PolarBear]

Does that include the Pontiac Vibe?

[FlyingDutchman]

epic fail!

[Frosty]

I wonder if the news media will hammer them like they do when the Big 3 have issues.

[T69SS]

I wonder if the news media will hammer them like they do when the Big 3 have issues.

I hope so. I just watched the story tonight on the news, they were explaining what to do when your car starts to accelerate on its own. Pretty bad...

[WildBillyT]

I wonder if the news media will hammer them like they do when the Big 3 have issues.

Nope. Keep dreaming.

[Frosty]

One could hope lol

[ib4200]

good thing toyotas dont go anywhere with the pedal to the floor lol

[Frosty]

Wow, it's to top story on ABC 11:00 news here in Philly :eek:

[Masonite]

good thing toyotas dont go anywhere with the pedal to the floor lol

it's like cranking it from "delicates" to "cotton/sturdy" :rofl:

[rightCOASTriot]

as a former toyota service advisor it makes me happy to see them fail, But its a shame that most of those cars a built here

[NastyEllEssWon]

I hope so. I just watched the story tonight on the news, they were explaining what to do when your car starts to accelerate on its own. Pretty bad...





tuck and roll gramma!

[BonzoHansen]

as a former toyota service advisor it makes me happy to see them fail, But its a shame that most of those cars a built here

and that matters how? was this an installation error? a design error?

[sweetbmxrider]

ahahha yoda

[NastyEllEssWon]

ahahha yoda





stuck will your pedal be. die you will.

[Frosty]

stuck will your pedal be. die you will.

LMFAO

[79CamaroDiva]

In a letter to federal safety officials dated Thursday, Toyota said the problem appeared to be related to the potential build-up of condensation on sliding surfaces in the accelerator system that helps drivers push down or release the gas pedal.

Toyota spokesman John Hanson said the automaker does not yet have a solution to the latest problem but is working to develop one.


http://smiliesftw.com/x/smiley-shocked.gif

really.. is this technology really that far over these peoples heads? the mechanics of the pedal itself have only been being perfected for... ohhh, 125 years or so?

[foff667]

So with the toyota matrix & the pontiac vibe being the same car shouldn't the 09/10 vibes be recalled as well?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

So with the toyota matrix & the pontiac vibe being the same car shouldn't the 09/10 vibes be recalled as well?

They're built in separate factories so possibly not.

[BonzoHansen]

They're built in separate factories so possibly not.

Didn't they both come off the same line at the nummi plant?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Didn't they both come off the same line at the nummi plant?


:wink:

http://www.automobile.com/2009-pontiac-vibe-preview.html

The Matrix is assembled in Cambridge, Ontario while the Vibe is built exclusively in Freemont, California at the joint-owned NUMMI facility alongside the Tacoma pickup truck.

[grandkodiak]

holy ****... someones toyota accelerated to 120mph before crashing and killing them all. that must have taken a good 15 minutes to occure... no one thought to pop the trans into nuetral/park, ebrake, park brake, engine off... anything?!?

[Tsar]

At least they are fixing the problem. I wish opti sparks were recalled, along with window motors...

[WildBillyT]

At least they are fixing the problem. I wish opti sparks were recalled, along with window motors...

If an opti or window motors killed someone they would have been.

[MyFirstZ]

happened to one of the guys at my shop today, after the alignment on the car he took it out on a road test (came from a body shop) and he said the car just kept accelerating and almost rear ended someone. Luckily he was able to move the mat quite easily he said.

some people really dont know anything about cars are what to do in an unordianry situation. when i worked at a part store i had to show one person how to add windshield wiper fluid and another one how to put air in the tires. Now i couldnt even begin to imagine trying to explain but the car in neutral when the pedal is stuck

[miketa95]

Here's another good one....

http://jalopnik.com/5453990/oh-toyota-you-try-so-hard


I hope the pedals in those don't get stuck...

[LS1Hawk]

Here's another good one....

http://jalopnik.com/5453990/oh-toyota-you-try-so-hard


I hope the pedals in those don't get stuck...


http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/12/2010/01/500x_lexus_lfa_acceleration.jpg

:kneeslap:

[Tsar]

If an opti or window motors killed someone they would have been.
Excellent excuse.

[qwikz28]

This looks like the real deal:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/...18954

Cliff Notes:

Guys Avalon has several unintended acceleration problems. Dealer can't figure it out. Then it happens again as he was driving, guy remember to put it into neutral, and he coaxes the car back to dealership. Car is revving uncontrollably in Neutral in front of Service Manager.

It wasn't the floor mats.

Guy said stepping on brakes had no effect.........

[BigAls87Z28]

At least they are fixing the problem. I wish opti sparks were recalled, along with window motors...

Uh...a problem is not having a window motor go oup
A problem is an engineer's great idea for a distrubutor system that didnt take up space but had problems with water.

When it effects nearly 7 million cars, and counting, and has hurt or killed several people, it stops being a problem and it starts being a serious liability.
Toyota should be dragged throught the mud.

[Tsar]

Uh...a problem is not having a window motor go oup
A problem is an engineer's great idea for a distrubutor system that didnt take up space but had problems with water.
Frankly, I don't care why. I didn't feel like paying for the replacement over and over again. Either don't come up with crappy designs or pay for it to fix it. Neither were done.

When it effects nearly 7 million cars, and counting, and has hurt or killed several people, it stops being a problem and it starts being a serious liability.
Toyota should be dragged throught the mud.

So glad you brought up millions of people who might be affected. So how do you feel about GM Side Saddle gas tank issue? Over 10 million were installed, over 1800 people were killed in fiery crashes, and GM payed millions of dollars to shut them up, besides Mosley vs GM that is.

Transportation secretary pretty much said (clicky for a long pdf (http://www.autosafety.org/GMAttC.pdf)) that GM is at fault for it, because of the design, and it should have never existed in the first place. In addition to the fact that NHTSA has urged GM to issue a voluntary recall (clicky (http://www.autosafety.org/GMAttB.pdf)), what did GM do? Pretty sure it was NOTHING :lol:


Like I said before, at least Toyota is doing something.

Cheers,

P.S. In before you try to put a positive spin on all those deaths. :lol:

Oh, and as always GM is number 1!!

[WildBillyT]

Frankly, I don't care why. I didn't feel like paying for the replacement over and over again. Either don't come up with crappy designs or pay for it to fix it. Neither were done.



So glad you brought up millions of people who might be affected. So how do you feel about GM Side Saddle gas tank issue? Over 10 million were installed, over 1800 people were killed in fiery crashes, and GM payed millions of dollars to shut them up, besides Mosley vs GM that is.

Transportation secretary pretty much said (clicky for a long pdf (http://www.autosafety.org/GMAttC.pdf)) that GM is at fault for it, because of the design, and it should have never existed in the first place. In addition to the fact that NHTSA has urged GM to issue a voluntary recall (clicky (http://www.autosafety.org/GMAttB.pdf)), what did GM do? Pretty sure it was NOTHING :lol:


Like I said before, at least Toyota is doing something.

Cheers,

P.S. In before you try to put a positive spin on all those deaths. :lol:

Oh, and as always GM is number 1!!


Every car owner makes bonehead decisions and tries to spin it. A bad design does not necessitate a recall. GM proved that with the window motors, LS1 piston slap, Dex cool issues, SS Silverado steering columns (shout out to you, Phil!) and I'm sure a bunch of other stuff. Hell, I love my GTP and have owned it for 10 years now. But one of the dumbest designes I've ever seen is having pressurized fuel flow over top of the supercharger (with a coupling on top) pointed straight at the front exhaust manifold. And don't forget about 12-time presidential candidate Ralph Nader and his book.



But they are not alone in the least. Honda Civic Si owners have an issue with their transmissions jumping out of 3rd gear- and even after a "recall" the issue isn't solved, and the "street solution" is to install non-Honda spec fluid. Or how about Nissan's spec'ing of special magical transmission fluid for their cars, so you have to spend the $9 a bottle to buy it from them (not counting the GT-R's special stuff)? Or the Toyota pickup bed flex issues? Ford Crown Victoria firey rear end collisions? Or the BMW iDrive system? Or the EGR filter in a $100,000+ Porsche that's behind the engine, under the rear seat, only accessible if you remove the top end induction system- and carries a sticker that says "service bi-weekly"?

There are bad designs ALL OVER the auto industry. I do not think it's asking much of every automaker to request that user input to the car should always be reliable. That's a basic need, and one that Toyota screwed up in this case.

The reason why I think a lot of people are making such a big deal is because most people think Japanese or German cars are the only cars worth owning. And this is a case where Toyota made a mistake on a very basic system on most of their cars. Kind of like people having to face a situation like the clean cut valedictorian of a high school ending up knocked up at graduation.

[Tsar]

Um...I wasn't arguing that other car manufacturers don't make mistakes. I simply gave Toyota props for fixing an issue they manufactured before too many people die (has anyone died? I really don't know). I don't see harm in that. I like when companies admit fault and try to solve a problem.

I also said that I wish GM was like that. That's when you and Bi Gal decided that GM is holy and doesn't have to fix mistakes they make, UNLESS people die. I simply provided some information when A LOT of people died, GM paid a ton of money to settle their cases, and still issued no recall. That's irresponsible. The fact is, 9 years PRIOR to installment of the FIRST side saddle gas tank GM already has done research on it, and determined that it shouldn't be there (I can post up another memo). But hey, profits are more important!

But yea, everybody makes mistakes, it's how you handle them (mistakes) that shapes your image in the eyes of the public, and to me, GM has failed, miserably.


Before someone points me to some other recall by some other company - don't bother, I know they exist, and it is not what I'm arguing about here.

[WildBillyT]

Um...I wasn't arguing that other car manufacturers don't make mistakes. I simply gave Toyota props for fixing an issue they manufactured before too many people die (has anyone died? I really don't know). I don't see harm in that. I like when companies admit fault and try to solve a problem.

I also said that I wish GM was like that. That's when you and Bi Gal decided that GM is holy and doesn't have to fix mistakes they make, UNLESS people die. I simply provided some information when A LOT of people died, GM paid a ton of money to settle their cases, and still issued no recall. That's irresponsible. The fact is, 9 years PRIOR to installment of the FIRST side saddle gas tank GM already has done research on it, and determined that it shouldn't be there (I can post up another memo). But hey, profits are more important!

But yea, everybody makes mistakes, it's how you handle them (mistakes) that shapes your image in the eyes of the public, and to me, GM has failed, miserably.


Before someone points me to some other recall by some other company - don't bother, I know they exist, and it is not what I'm arguing about here.

Yeah, a few people died (I think). I know of at least one.

I certainly do not think GM is holy. I am still very skeptical about purchasing from them. I just think that they get a raw deal based on past history. It's obvious that their previous business practices failed completely and I'd like to see them have a real shot at becoming a great automaker again. That can't happen unless their image is repaired. One way for that to happen is if some of the other automakers don't look as great.

Regarding the no deaths/no recall- I did not mean that there should not be a recall unless somebody dies. I meant that it's unfortunate that bean counters keep recalls from being issued unless people are hurt.

Admittedly I know very little about the side saddle gas tank deal. It certainly sounds like GM dropped the ball. What I find a little hard to believe is that 1800 people died and a bigger deal was not made of this. The engineers should have been found guilty of criminal negligence or something like that. I'll have to read up more on it for sure.

[Knipps]

Man, Tsar have you never seen the beginning of Fight Club? :lol:

[Tsar]

I certainly do not think GM is holy. I am still very skeptical about purchasing from them. I just think that they get a raw deal based on past history. It's obvious that their previous business practices failed completely and I'd like to see them have a real shot at becoming a great automaker again. That can't happen unless their image is repaired. One way for that to happen is if some of the other automakers don't look as great.
I think it's just. Plus as a society, we always do that anyways. Think of a child molester; do you want him to babysit your kids after he has done his time? What if he promises that he will be good? I little extreme, but past behavior is a good indicator of future behavior. If you take a polygraph, they really try to reinforce this fact :lol:


Admittedly I know very little about the side saddle gas tank deal. It certainly sounds like GM dropped the ball. What I find a little hard to believe is that 1800 people died and a bigger deal was not made of this. The engineers should have been found guilty of criminal negligence or something like that. I'll have to read up more on it for sure.

To be fair, from what I've read the deaths ranged from 1973 until 2000. So it's not like they were all killed in one year. Although that does not diminish their deaths in anyway, imo. If I remember correctly, they also paid over 500 mil to settle all the cases resulting from this issue, although I do not have a handy-dandy PDF file for that number :mrgreen:

[Tsar]

Man, Tsar have you never seen the beginning of Fight Club? :lol:
I've seen Fight Club a few times, but I don't remember now. Refresh my memory.

[Knipps]

Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator: You wouldn't believe.
Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?
Narrator: A major one.

[Tsar]

Ahh, now I remember :lol:

[WildBillyT]

I think it's just. Plus as a society, we always do that anyways. Think of a child molester; do you want him to babysit your kids after he has done his time? What if he promises that he will be good? I little extreme, but past behavior is a good indicator of future behavior. If you take a polygraph, they really try to reinforce this fact :lol:


To be fair, from what I've read the deaths ranged from 1973 until 2000. So it's not like they were all killed in one year. Although that does not diminish their deaths in anyway, imo. If I remember correctly, they also paid over 500 mil to settle all the cases resulting from this issue, although I do not have a handy-dandy PDF file for that number :mrgreen:

Very valid points. Hard to argue if a leopard can really change its spots or not. Different political and economic context now, though.

But we as a society give people second chances all of the time. One of the most terrifying things some of our grandfathers had to face in their youth was a Mitsubishi. Now we have Mistu and Evo fanboiis that trash anything American. Ain't that a bitch.

[Tsar]

I can't argue against that. It's up to each individual to make their own determination on the matter.

[qwikz28]

question- isn't Recalls only for safety issues? There would be no reason to recall an issue unless it is safety related.

[WildBillyT]

question- isn't Recalls only for safety issues? There would be no reason to recall an issue unless it is safety related.

Off of the top of my head- wasn't the 2000 Cobra engine issue a recall that was not a safety issue?

Granted, most are safety related, but not all of them.

[Tsar]

I'm not sure. Are cats considered part of "safety issue"? They were recalled on my mothers Caddy, some time ago. At least I believe they were.

[BonzoHansen]

I'm not sure. Are cats considered part of "safety issue"? They were recalled on my mothers Caddy, some time ago. At least I believe they were.

Not safety. But they do fall under a labyrinth of EPA regs.

[Tsar]

So collectively, we answered Jake's question. Go us!

[qwikz28]

So collectively, we answered Jake's question. Go us!

:w00t:

[BigAls87Z28]

Frankly, I don't care why. I didn't feel like paying for the replacement over and over again. Either don't come up with crappy designs or pay for it to fix it. Neither were done.



So glad you brought up millions of people who might be affected. So how do you feel about GM Side Saddle gas tank issue? Over 10 million were installed, over 1800 people were killed in fiery crashes, and GM payed millions of dollars to shut them up, besides Mosley vs GM that is.

Transportation secretary pretty much said (clicky for a long pdf (http://www.autosafety.org/GMAttC.pdf)) that GM is at fault for it, because of the design, and it should have never existed in the first place. In addition to the fact that NHTSA has urged GM to issue a voluntary recall (clicky (http://www.autosafety.org/GMAttB.pdf)), what did GM do? Pretty sure it was NOTHING :lol:


Like I said before, at least Toyota is doing something.

Cheers,

P.S. In before you try to put a positive spin on all those deaths. :lol:

Oh, and as always GM is number 1!!


Toyota is doing something? They pinned it on "floor mats" when its obviously not floor mats. They are just throwing out ******** recalls because they are scrambling to regain thier image.
Are you watching either of the football games? Toyota has bought more air time talking about its quality and other ********.

GM has had its problems, and it made ****** cars and ****** calls. That still doesnt mean that what Toyota is doing is better? How about the sludge engines? No recall notice, just millions of dollars of covering it up and telling people to shut it. How about teh Sienna doors delaminating? How about the new Tundra's laundry list of problems, NONE of which were recalled, just "enhanced warrantied" to death.

Toyota is covering it up as of thier mistakes as possible. They fired the CEO and put in a family member because of all the major short falls and damage done to the image.

And as for Mr.Green Nader's book that came out after that generation of Corvairs were being replaced with redesigned and better driving 2nd generations. But GM's pursuit of Nader made GM look evil. And that damaged the image of the Corvair, not to mention opeing the door for the Mustang to take over in 64.



I have never said that GM is flawless, I never said that GM is without blame. GM has done a lot of bad things and has ****ed people over for years.
In the end, the past is the past. Toyota is not covering ****, just putting the blame on the drivers and not on faulty cars.

[Tsar]

You mad? :lol:

Way to not address what I said, and just go blab around about something else. I can toss all of those things aside due to a "bad design" just like you tossed aside the optispark and window motor deal. After all they weren't "safety" enough for you.

Take a deep breath next time :lol:

[BonzoHansen]

you lt1 guys cry about optisparks too much.

[Tsar]

you lt1 guys cry about optisparks too much.
I replaced 3 in 40k miles that I owned that car. All were "OEM"....

Edit* Scratch that, two were, one wasn't. The one that wasn't lived the longest.

[BonzoHansen]

obviously installer error, lol

[LTb1ow]

you lt1 guys cry about optisparks too much.

Non LT1 owners and or idiots who do own LT1s whine about them.

[Tsar]

Obvisouly, 3 window motors were probably too! :lol:

[BonzoHansen]

Oh no, they suck.

[BigAls87Z28]

You mad? :lol:

Way to not address what I said, and just go blab around about something else. I can toss all of those things aside due to a "bad design" just like you tossed aside the optispark and window motor deal. After all they weren't "safety" enough for you.

Take a deep breath next time :lol:

You just like to bring up GM stuff so you think you get me upset.
You ar ethe one that is avoiding the issue of this thread, and that is that Toyota is not coming clean about the true problems.

I said yes, GM made mistakes. The saddle gas tanks were a problem in the trucks, no doubt.
What else is there to address? Optisparks? Not everyone's opti goes out, and not everyone has problems.
The fix on GM's part was the vented unit, and that seems to have fixed the majority of the problems.
As for the window motors, its more of a lack of quality issue then a saftey issue, or a recall issue. Quality problems plagued GM over the 80's and 90's, and thats a fact.
If you want to talk about major engine problems by GM, why not bring in the Spider injector systems of the Vortec 4.3 and 5.7?
You could seroiusly pull out the thousands and even millions of cars that should be recalled.
You just like to bring up the GM stuff because you drive a low-quality 90's GM vehicle. Sorry for you, but at least you arent going to go flying into a bus full of nuns, killing everyone with your bad window motor.

[BonzoHansen]

We replaced a lot of those spider setups in the trail blazers, lol

[BigAls87Z28]

trailblazers? I think you mean s10 blazers.

[BonzoHansen]

whatever they were called, matters not

[BigAls87Z28]

The new systems that GP Sorensen makes the spider into 6 or 8 injectors. Its a much better design then one injector and 6/8 tubes. Much better.

[BonzoHansen]

nice. at the time all we had was dealer parts.

[Tsar]

You just like to bring up GM stuff so you think you get me upset. Sometimes, but not this time. This time I was just not happy that I shelled out all that money.


You ar ethe one that is avoiding the issue of this thread, and that is that Toyota is not coming clean about the true problems. I'll be the first one to admit, that I have no Idea what a TRUE problem is with the accelerator issue. I heard about it on TV, read some stuff on the internet, but no one that I know drives a toyota so I kind of don't really care, to be honest.

I saw tech's using zip ties in brand new Lexus's and I thought it was hilarious, and piss poor quality, at that. The zip ties didn't even match the interior. (white on black :lol: )

Quite frankly, I might dislike Toyota even more than you do, just not for the same reasons. I can't stand them for the fact that all their product is so... AVERAGE... buttery butter, so to speak. None of their cars are great, they are just "ehh". I can't stand mediocrity, therefor I can't stand Toyota.

Optisparks? Not everyone's opti goes out, and not everyone has problems. Hey, that's like saying that not every gas pedal gets stuck, and fatalities are not at 100%. Bad argument, imo.





You just like to bring up the GM stuff because you drive a low-quality 90's GM vehicle. Sorry for you, but at least you arent going to go flying into a bus full of nuns, killing everyone with your bad window motor.I used to drive it, I sold it for a pair of wheels :lol: Now I have a German car with a rattling sunroof... At least BMW is not being stingy about replacing the whole moon roof. I wonder if I brought my old car back to the dealer with a rattle, would they give me a new car? :rofl: <--- That was a joke.

[Jersey Mike]

This happened back in the summer of '09. I remember a thread on another forum of a family that died in a lexus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ippnztg3A_o&feature=player_embedded



What's amusing is that I saw a commercial tonight during the NFC Championship game boasting Toyota reliability.

[maroman88]

Off of the top of my head- wasn't the 2000 Cobra engine issue a recall that was not a safety issue?

Granted, most are safety related, but not all of them.

IIRC it was the 99 Cobra engine, it didnt make the power it claimed to, and i think thats the reason there were no 00 Cobras made, svt was to busy fixing the 99's

[NastyEllEssWon]

lol @ al getting all uppity over gm. big deal toyota screws up a few times in like 40 years....tsar's point is that Gm has been continuously and knowingly screwing over the American public FOR the last 40 years.



cant turn a whore into a housewife, which is why its hard for so many to believe that the ''new gm'' will do anything but what theyve done for so many years.

[WildBillyT]

lol @ al getting all uppity over gm. big deal toyota screws up a few times in like 40 years....tsar's point is that Gm has been continuously and knowingly screwing over the American public FOR the last 40 years.


cant turn a whore into a housewife, which is why its hard for so many to believe that the ''new gm'' will do anything but what theyve done for so many years.

Wow. Just wow. That's a hell of a claim.

[Mike]

lol @ al getting all uppity over gm. big deal toyota screws up a few times in like 40 years....tsar's point is that Gm has been continuously and knowingly screwing over the American public FOR the last 40 years.

thats the problem here though... toyota has been around over 40 years... last i checked, accelerator pedals have been around that entire time... how is it, that you can randomly decide to redesign the wheel and **** up on your ENTIRE product line.

[Frosty]

What does GM have to do with any of this? I definitely see the comparison between window motors and gas pedals...definitely /sarcasm

The fact is Toyota, the self-proclaimed kings of reliability, has ****ed up ROYALLY and should be hammered for this. What GM, Ford, Nissan, Kia or any other company does or has done in the past is completely irrelevant.

[Mike]

What does GM have to do with any of this? I definitely see the comparison between window motors and gas pedals...definitely /sarcasm

The fact is Toyota, the self-proclaimed kings of reliability, has ****ed up ROYALLY and should be hammered for this. What GM, Ford, Nissan, Kia or any other company does or has done in the past is completely irrelevant.

about as much as the gto has to do with "why the mustang succeeds" this is njfboa, you cant expect anyone here to stay on topic...

[BigAls87Z28]

Untill you look at quality scores. No one could belive 30 years ago that GM would make a mistake. Now that's all people think.
toyotas track record is not as squeeky clean as people think.

[Frosty]

about as much as the gto has to do with "why the mustang succeeds" this is njfboa, you cant expect anyone here to stay on topic...

Good point, lol

[sweetbmxrider]

i'm pretty sure people have died indirectly due to opti's

[WildBillyT]

What does GM have to do with any of this? I definitely see the comparison between window motors and gas pedals...definitely /sarcasm

The fact is Toyota, the self-proclaimed kings of reliability, has ****ed up ROYALLY and should be hammered for this. What GM, Ford, Nissan, Kia or any other company does or has done in the past is completely irrelevant.

<captain obvious>
People on here like to pick fights and start ****. It doesn't have to make sense.
</captain obvious>

[qwikz28]

I feel like you guys are starting with an incorrect notion that these car companies care about us. They care about profits. Of course a car company would rather cover something up then come clean about it. I don't think this accelerator nonsense is Toyota's fault or even because of it being unreliable. It is simply a lawyer saying, it will not be cheaper to admit fault. I find it difficult to believe any car maker acts with our interests in mind, and not profits. Even if they did, it probably is PR motivated.

And another thing, I am a car guy well before I am a GM fan or any other auto maker. I admit I am GM biased, but it will never be more than an influence on my car buying decision. I will always buy whatever car I feel is best for me for the money. Yeah, my next car probably won't be GM, but maybe it will. Who knows.

That's just my opinions and what I think of all this.

[Jersey Mike]

I feel like you guys are starting with an incorrect notion that these car companies care about us. They care about profits. Of course a car company would rather cover something up then come clean about it. I don't think this accelerator nonsense is Toyota's fault or even because of it being unreliable. It is simply a lawyer saying, it will not be cheaper to admit fault. I find it difficult to believe any car maker acts with our interests in mind, and not profits. Even if they did, it probably is PR motivated..

ding ding ding

[LS1Hawk]

Here is a perfect example why this recall won't do a thing to change the public's perception of Toyota. I was bored at work earlier so I looked up some reviews of the new SRX. See the last 3 comments. You'll notice my response, but ehh...just a minor issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A28B3tEdyY

[T69SS]

Here is a perfect example why this recall won't do a thing to change the public's perception of Toyota. I was bored at work earlier so I looked up some reviews of the new SRX. See the last 3 comments. You'll notice my response, but ehh...just a minor issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A28B3tEdyY

You are exactly right and those comments prove it. Too many people have this idea that all Toyotas are "indestructable" and will run forever while in reality the majority of them are either naive or completely uneducated on the subject altogether.

[Czop418]

Yupp And my sister just went out and bought a 10 rav4. Its a shame about this recall becuase other than that its a pretty nice little suv.

[Tsar]

http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2010/01/toyota_suspends.html

Toyota’s recall problems just keep getting worse. Toyota said today that it will suspend sales of the eight models that the company stated it would recall on Jan. 21 due to isolated incidents of a sticking accelerator pedal. A recall is one thing, but when a company decides to stop selling the cars, it’s quite another. Bob Carter, Toyota division general manager and a group vice president of Toyota Motor Sales USA, said in a statement that the company wanted to stop sales until a remedy is found.

Recall that on Jan. 21, Toyota said it would recall 2.3 million vehicles that could potentially have a problem. They are the 2009 through 2010 RAV4, 2009 through 2010 Corolla, 2009 through 2010 Matrix, 2005 through 2010 Avalon, some 2007 through 2010 Camry models, 2010 Highlander, 2007 through 2010 Tundra and the 2008 through 2010 Sequoia.

Toyota is being very cautious, which is the smart thing to do. Some vehicle owners have alleged that the sticking accelerator pedals have caused accidents, some fatal. So Toyota needs to do this to prevent any more accidents from happening.

Sooner or later, Toyota will engineer a fix. And Toyota is handling it the right way. But doing damage control for its once bulletproof quality image will be much more difficult. Add in the big recalls that Toyota has had in recent years and its image as a quality leader is on the wane. That list, by the way, contains Toyota’s two top sellers in the U.S. in the Camry and Corolla. Toyota sold 650,000 of the two models combined last year. That’s a lot of customers who have a reason to question Toyota’s cars.

[Tru2Chevy]

I was just reading a similar article on CNN

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/26/news/companies/toyota_recall/index.htm?hpt=T1

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Toyota Motor Sales USA, Inc. said Tuesday it is asking dealers to temporarily suspend sales of eight models.

The company's sales suspension is part of a recall announced last week to correct a problem that could cause the accelerator pedal to stick.

"Helping ensure the safety of our customers and restoring confidence in Toyota are very important to our company," said Toyota USA group vice president Bob Carter. "This action is necessary until a remedy is finalized."

About 2.3 million vehicles will be affected by the recall, Toyota (TM) said Tuesday in a statement.

The automaker also said that it will halt the production of vehicles in certain production facilities in Canada, Indiana, Kentucky and Texas during the week of Feb. 1 to "assess and coordinate activities."

The vehicles covered under the recall are:

2009-2010 RAV4, Corolla, Matrix, 2005-2010 Avalon, certain 2007-2010 Camry, 2010 Highlander, 2007-2010 Tundra and the 2008-2010 Sequoia.

The new recall involving sticking accelerator pedals is separate from an on-going recall of 4.2 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles due to the risk of pedal entrapment because of a loose floormat.

About 1.7 million Toyota Division vehicles have been affected by both recalls.

Toyota owners with questions should call Toyota's customer service line at 800-331-4331. To top of page

- Justin

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Also, in Truck Trend Magazine I read this tonight

Almost lost among the recall of 3.8 million vehicles because the accelerator pedal may get stuck on a floormat and getting some notice for Tundras with rusty frame rails, Toyota is also having legal issues with fomer employees and allegedly faulty steering rods on 1990-1995 4Runner, 1989-1995 compact pickup, and 1993-1998 T100 models. One issue is Toyota's recall of 330,000 similar vehicles in Japan in 2004, and Toyota Motor North America advising NHTSA as required, but apparently Toyota Motor Sales USA, which would handle any US recall, didn't get the memo as they say.

[maroman88]

hahaha excellant

[BigAls87Z28]

Heavy Lies the Crown....
Oh well, such a shame. This should be on 60 mins, Dateline, 20/20, and every other news show.
It wont be. Just reading the Business week clip that Vitals posted shows that it wont.
Toyota will fix it, of course they will they are toyota! They wont let this slide or cover it up like they did the sludge motors!
Or pay off the owners of vehicles like the Tacoma truck owners with the rusted frames!
Or blame everyone but themselves for the failures of several systems inside the vehicle!
Not at all.

[Frosty]

Didn't North American Steel get blamed by Toyota for the bad frame rails?

[BigAls87Z28]

Now its American suppliers.

Note to the reader: Toyota makes sure that thier own people are hired by the supplier so toyota has direct control over the final product, and doesnt just put a bid out to several suppliers like others.
Hence why a good handful of Toyota people were fired recently due to thier failure on the job.

This just in:
Toyota updates its slogan
Toyota: Moving Foward whether you want to or not

[Brendan713]

2.3 Million Toyotas have been recalled, all sales have been suspended on the eight models that have the Sticky Pedal issue, Die Japanese Toys Die!

[BonzoHansen]

Heavy Lies the Crown....
Oh well, such a shame. This should be on 60 mins, Dateline, 20/20, and every other news show.
It wont be. Just reading the Business week clip that Vitals posted shows that it wont.
Toyota will fix it, of course they will they are toyota! They wont let this slide or cover it up like they did the sludge motors!
Or pay off the owners of vehicles like the Tacoma truck owners with the rusted frames!
Or blame everyone but themselves for the failures of several systems inside the vehicle!
Not at all.

lead story on nightline last night. this reminds me of the firestone atx deal....let's not blame the drivers lack of abilities even once.

[FlyingDutchman]

taken from yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100127/ap_on_bi_ge/us_toyota_recall

Toyota has said it was unaware of any accidents or injuries due to the pedal problems associated with the recall, but could not rule them out for sure.


Taken from autoblog

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/21/toyota-issues-new-voluntary-recall-for-sticking-accelerator-peda/

A class action law suit filed against the automaker last November alleges that Toyota has known about this problem for four years and received 2,000 complaints. It also alleges that sticking accelerator pedals have resulted in 16 deaths and 243 injuries.

[BigAls87Z28]

Came out today that thee goverment TOLD Toyota to stop sales and production of these cars and tht they didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts as some have said in this thread.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Came out today that thee goverment TOLD Toyota to stop sales and production of these cars and tht they didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts as some have said in this thread.

Link please? I thought I remembered reading that but can't find it and am arguing with my cousin

[sweetbmxrider]

lets go test drive them, almost die, and make millions!!!!! muahahhaha

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9674881

There we go. Democratic Senator was concerned and government pressed Toyota to do it

[BigAls87Z28]

just one link....its all over the net.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/toyota-recall-watch-88409/

[LTb1ow]

So I should go buy Ford stock?

Edit: Silly me, I already own GM as a taxpayer.

[BigAls87Z28]

Should have bought Ford when it was 1.27 a share...

[WildBillyT]

So much for Toyota being the superior automaker who creates a recall out of the goodness of their heart.

[LTb1ow]

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-FJ465_0127to_G_20100127101652.jpg

[BigAls87Z28]

The biggest winner here is not GM, Ford or Chysler...
Its Hyundai. Toyota has been leaking sales to Hyundai for years now...and this is gunnamake them look golden. Especially with the new Sonata coming.

[Frosty]

Should have bought Ford when it was 1.27 a share...

I'm still kicking myself for not buying...

[Knipps]

I bought shares on a mock stockmarket @ 2.40 a share.. man I wish that was real dough

[BonzoHansen]

I bought shares on a mock stockmarket @ 2.40 a share.. man I wish that was real dough

I bought a pile ever lower in test accounts at my old job. lol.

[BigAls87Z28]

Added another 1.1 Million cars to Augusts 4.2 mill, plus the 2.3 mill that they just issued.
Sprinkle 56% of the cars Toyota sells yearly in the US...

[LS1Hawk]

Toyota just can't seem to get out of their own way. Where I work the next building over is Toyota's New York Region office. Not exactly sure what they do out of there, but it's a huge facility. I can only imagine the conversations going on over there.

[12secondv6]

Toyota updates its slogan
Toyota: Moving Foward whether you want to or not
:rofl: That was damn funny!

[Tsar]

Gotta say, if I owned Toyota right now, I would be pretty damn annoyed. Good thing it wasn't even a contender.

[LS1Hawk]

Should have bought Ford when it was 1.27 a share...

I'm still kicking myself for not buying...

Probably kicking yourself even more, now that Ford just posted a $2.7 billion net profit for 2009. I know I am.

[Frosty]

Probably kicking yourself even more, now that Ford just posted a $2.7 billion net profit for 2009. I know I am.

Yup, read that this morning. ****ers lol

[Tsar]

Yup, read that this morning. ****ers lol

Look on a bright side, you own some AWESOME GM stock!!!! :lol:




:rofl:

[Frosty]

LOL. They're supposedly going to pay us and the Canadian government back by June, we'll see.

[Tsar]

LOL. They're supposedly going to pay us and the Canadian government back by June, we'll see.
US? as in you and I? Yea that's not happening :lol:

[Frosty]

I meant the government. ;)

[Tsar]

I meant the government. ;)
ahh, alrighty. I didn't want you to get your hopes up! I'm just looking out for you buddy. :lol:

[Frosty]

:rofl:

[BigAls87Z28]

Recall spreads to Europe and China, just saw it flash on CNN.

[Tsar]

Recall spreads to Europe and China, just saw it flash on CNN.
Are you jumping for joy yet?

[PolarBear]

Are you jumping for joy yet?

Actually, I am. I cant wait to rub this whole thing in my friends face

[LS1Hawk]

As fun as it is to see Toyota get smeared, let's just hope none of the same supplier parts are found in GM, Ford or Chrysler vehicles if indeed that is the source of the problem. It's been said that CTS built these pedals to spec for Toyota, but I read that GM does get a pedal assembly from them as well.

[Untamed]

I like the $1000 incentive to current Toyota owners to buy a GM car. I guess this kind of marketing is very common, but just seems smug to me.

I've had my 2005 Camry now 4.5 years and it is running like a champ. When I owned my 97 Firebird, I had already lost my CD player, rear window defroster and DS headlight motor by 4.5 years.

Why do I still love Firebirds? :rofl:

[NastyEllEssWon]

al is savoring the moment. just leaves more people to buy a superior quality ford product. no one wants to buy a car from a company they technically own :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

Guess we will see. ford is doing well but GM said they are having a big month.
Avis and Enterprise also suspended all their toyota fleets.
and yes I'm dancing on nearly an hourly basis.
Ford stopped production of its Transit Connects in China cause of the possibility of the same issue.

[T69SS]

Why do I still love Firebirds? :rofl:

Because its a car with some personality and looks. Unlike the entire Toyota model lineup

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

There is an article saying what to do when this happens in the most recent Car and Driver magazine :rofl:

[Untamed]

Because its a car with some personality and looks. Unlike the entire Toyota model lineup

Actually you are correct. That's exactly why I love the Firebird, the looks and performance for the price.

I went to James Toyota in Flemington last summer when I received one of those new car incentives - you know, turn in your current car early, get the balance paid with only some of it applied to the next new Toyota. I didn't get anything, but I was shocked to hear that the ENTIRE sales staff had left James Toyota between the time I bought my car in summer 2005 and summer 2009 when I went back. I know people change jobs, but the entire staff? Managers included? When I asked about the changeover the salesperson shrugged and said "new management direction". I got a taste of that "new direction" when they refused to deal, citing unbelievable response despite the economy.

I'm currently considering the GMC Terrain as my next one.

[WildBillyT]

Actually you are correct. That's exactly why I love the Firebird, the looks and performance for the price.

I went to James Toyota in Flemington last summer when I received one of those new car incentives - you know, turn in your current car early, get the balance paid with only some of it applied to the next new Toyota. I didn't get anything, but I was shocked to hear that the ENTIRE sales staff had left James Toyota between the time I bought my car in summer 2005 and summer 2009 when I went back. I know people change jobs, but the entire staff? Managers included? When I asked about the changeover the salesperson shrugged and said "new management direction". I got a taste of that "new direction" when they refused to deal, citing unbelievable response despite the economy.

I'm currently considering the GMC Terrain as my next one.

Keep in mind they also were a Hummer dealer :shock:

[Untamed]

Keep in mind they also were a Hummer dealer :shock:

Yeah and they opened their brand new, ~$15M facility. We just got one of those fliers inviting us in. Apparently 2004-05 was very good to them, getting the capital they needed to expand. They dropped Hummer but picked up Kia. A very good move for them.

I still have plans to look at a GM vehicle first, not out of loyalty (I'm a Toyota owner), but because I just like the looks of the new GM lineup. As always I wish the price point was lower, but it's still manageable.

[BigAls87Z28]

I'm currently considering the GMC Terrain as my next one.

Can I ask you why a Terrain over an Equinox? Not judging you, just getting info for a future article. I personally like both of them, and they both offer fantastic and best in class CUV's, especially for the money.

[Untamed]

I liked the more aggressive exterior looks of the Terrain, plus the subtle differences in interior layout over the Equinox. Ultimately they are the same car, with the base Equinox starting with fewer features and less cost.

The seat-back DVD players are a factor for me since I have kids and we would use the next SUV for Winter trips to Vermont where my family has a house. The minivan the last two times, despite FWD, just doesn't cut it on some of those back road hills that we've traveled to get to special events.

Edit: And I like the red interior lighting of the Terrain like Pontiac had. A nostalgic point, but important to me.

[BigAls87Z28]

Gotcha. I was talking to Mike Simco, one GM's big desingers (He's from Oz as well) and we talked about the differences between the two trucks and who they appeal too.

[Savage_Messiah]

I dunno how I'm beating Al to this since I just saw it from him, but...



(http://www.14wfie.com/global/story.asp?s=11910251)Recalled Camry goes over KY cliff after accelerator sticks (http://www.14wfie.com/global/story.asp?s=11910251)

[Frosty]

I'm on a ton of different websites and read a bunch of blogs...it's AMAZING how the Toyota fanbois or the anti-domestic crowed IMMEDIATELY flips the conversation to what GM And Ford has done in the past...it's absolutely amazing. Ford and GM have ****ed up in the past and were scumbags about it...but now it's the self-proclaimed King of Reliability to be exposed for who they are and the fanbois don't like it.

[BigAls87Z28]

I dunno how I'm beating Al to this since I just saw it from him, but...



(http://www.14wfie.com/global/story.asp?s=11910251)Recalled Camry goes over KY cliff after accelerator sticks (http://www.14wfie.com/global/story.asp?s=11910251)

If I do it, then I look like a crazed GM fanboi.
If everyone else finds an article...well its that good news travels fast.

[BonzoHansen]

You are a crazy fanboi...so are they! :)

[Frosty]

But Al, you are a GM fanboi :rofl::D

[BigAls87Z28]

To most of you guys, yes. I am around the automotive news a lot, and would like to one day make that my job. I do like GM, but am not a fanboi.

[LTb1ow]

So is it toyotas fault if people drive cars after a recall was placed?

[Frosty]

To most of you guys, yes. I am around the automotive news a lot, and would like to one day make that my job. I do like GM, but am not a fanboi.

The first step to recovery is admitting there's a problem. :mrgreen:

[Tru2Chevy]

So is it toyotas fault if people drive cars after a recall was placed?

If those people have not been notified of the recall and told not to drive their cars, yes.

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

So is it toyotas fault if people drive cars after a recall was placed?

Toyota still ****ed up, its thier fault reguardless.
People drive the cars and get hurt, Toyota is still liable.

[qwikz28]

If those people have not been notified of the recall and told not to drive their cars, yes.

- Justin

I don't think it is even that simple. Products liability is pretty straight forward from what I've learned. If most people aren't heeding the warning, they wouldn't be expected to and Toyota would still be liable even if they warned the people. That being said, I doubt most people stopped driving their Toyotas.

[LS1Hawk]

I don't think it is even that simple. Products liability is pretty straight forward from what I've learned. If most people aren't heeding the warning, they wouldn't be expected to and Toyota would still be liable even if they warned the people. That being said, I doubt most people stopped driving their Toyotas.

This weekend I still saw people driving around in Toyotas that have been recalled. When cars like the Camry that are the #1 selling sedan in the country, it's hard for people to just stop driving them even in light of a major recall. For most, it is probably their main or only form a transportation. They either have no choice, or they still feel their Toyota is invincible.

[qwikz28]

This weekend I still saw people driving around in Toyotas that have been recalled. When cars like the Camry that are the #1 selling sedan in the country, it's hard for people to just stop driving them even in light of a major recall. For most, it is probably their main or only form a transportation. They either have no choice, or they still feel their Toyota is invincible.

exactly! and the courts will consider this when someone crashes even after being notified of the recall

[BurninrubberGT]

hahaha did anyone see that now there are a number of complaints from toyota owners that the cars are randomly stalling due to a ECM error

[WildBillyT]

hahaha did anyone see that now there are a number of complaints from toyota owners that the cars are randomly stalling due to a ECM error

Apparently the cat ran out of the bag with it's accelerator stuck and it's tail on fire.

[Tsar]

Funny I had both of these problems while I had my awesome GM product! :lol:

Sticking gas pedal and random stalls (while driving).

[sweetbmxrider]

well its due to magnetic/radio interference in the drive by wire. apparently they are going to shim the spring in the pedal and that will do.......something. freakin technology killing humans already......


so is it a good idea to buy yoda stocks?

[LS1Hawk]

Because Toyota's CEO is really dishing a a lot of BS:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/35179161#35179161

[FlyingDutchman]

http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/108724/toyota-slow-to-awaken-to-deadly-problem?mod=insurance-autos&sec=topStories&pos=4&asset=&ccode=

yahoo!

[BigAls87Z28]

I hope Nader is writing a book about them.
Here is another case where NHTSA's "standars" and testing are being called into question again.
I found an article talking about NHTSA's testing of saddle gas tankes in the 80's GM trucks, saying that they met all crash standards.

[Frosty]

I kinda of skimmed over the article but I believe I read they were alerted to this problem numerous times through complaints and letters but claimed they didn't have the manpower/resources to check it out.

[FlyingDutchman]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-Interview-LaHood-says-apf-1557399442.html?x=0

yahoo!

[maroman88]

just saw on the news that they've received approx 100 complaints about the prius's breaks failing

[FlyingDutchman]

just saw on the news that they've received approx 100 complaints about the prius's breaks failing

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Toyota-hit-by-over-100-Prius-apf-61349719.html?x=0

yahoo!

[PolarBear]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-Interview-LaHood-says-apf-1557399442.html?x=0

yahoo!

LaHood said the Toyota recalls "may be the most serious safety issue that we have faced here at DOT" during his tenure. "This is a big deal, this is a big safety issue," LaHood said.
:shock:

[BigAls87Z28]

LaHood used to be the head of NHTSA, and now Sec of Transportation.

[BigAls87Z28]

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f38/just-when-you-thought-couldnt-possibly-get-any-worse-info-concerning-biller-88716/#post1971473

The BIG ONE!

Toyota and Biller have been involved in a tangle of litigation in state and federal courts for months, centered on 6,000 internal documents obtained by Biller.
He says the documents show a pattern of illegal behavior in which Toyota fraudulently withheld evidence in product liability cases.
At Toyota's urging, the documents have been kept confidential by court order since last summer.
But now a California arbitrator is considering whether they can be made public.
Attorneys for Toyota and Biller made their final filings in the matter last week, and a decision is expected soon.
If the arbitrator rules in Biller's favor, a legion of plaintiff's attorneys are waiting to reopen long-closed cases against Toyota.
Although the allegations don't directly concern Toyota's growing sudden-acceleration headache, the Biller case is another assault on the automaker's credibility, which has taken a hit in the current crisis.

[SupermanX24]

sticky gas pedal, brake failure...

soo if I got this right...American Cars may break down on you. And Toyotas may just kill you...

[BigAls87Z28]

If anyone didnt catch it. The Daily Show's first segment was on Toyota, and was hilarious. Got to see it in person, it really made me feel good.

[BurninrubberGT]

toyota is falling apart, this is awsome

[BigAls87Z28]

Its was on CNN, and this lawyer says that the number recalled is really only half of what should be. The Prius is also being looked into as well, and that is still built in Japan.
Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple, his 2010 Prius has escaped him a few times.

[Tsar]

Watching all the GM nutswingers coming out is gonna be great :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

Its not only GM, its everyone. But you're a douche, so you pick out GM only as they are the only ones to benefit.

[Tsar]

I don't really see any other forums celebrating that toyota is doing ******. The only people that are happy are the one's that buy GM product, at least from what I've seen.

I don't have an ill will towards Toyota like you do, I just dislike their product because it's boring.

Not that GM makes things that are much better...

[sweetbmxrider]

cadillac's v series? zr1? they make my manhood dance

[Blacdout96]

Watching all the GM nutswingers coming out is gonna be great :lol:

I agree, but i also worked at Toyota, so I know their dealings, glad to see them go down in flames, and at the very least, their reputation tarnished. now if Honda can get knowcked down a couple notches, it'll make for an interesting buyer market.

[WildBillyT]

I don't really see any other forums celebrating that toyota is doing ******. The only people that are happy are the one's that buy GM product, at least from what I've seen.

I don't have an ill will towards Toyota like you do, I just dislike their product because it's boring.

Not that GM makes things that are much better...

It's definetly out there. Most places aren't relishing in Toyota's overall damaged rep more than they are talking about how it's a dose of reality regarding their position in the industry. They are just like every other car manufacturer- making mistakes, worried about profit and sales, and are trying to fight the massive amount of negative PR.

[Frosty]

It's definetly out there. Most places aren't relishing in Toyota's overall damaged rep more than they are talking about how it's a dose of reality regarding their position in the industry. They are just like every other car manufacturer- making mistakes, worried about profit and sales, and are trying to fight the massive amount of negative PR.

:werd: They're just like everyone else even though a majority of people think they're run by Jesus and Co.

[NastyEllEssWon]

seems like just the right time for lexus to offer their 200k dollar car :lol:

[BonzoHansen]

I don't really see any other forums celebrating that toyota is doing ******. The only people that are happy are the one's that buy GM product, at least from what I've seen.

I don't have an ill will towards Toyota like you do, I just dislike their product because it's boring.

Not that GM makes things that are much better...

you're just a big ****ing killjoy. :lol:

[Tsar]

cadillac's v series? zr1? they make my manhood dance

I think I have been a fan of cadillac as long as I have posted here. And after my mother bought one, I became even a bigger one. That's about the only thing I like about GM. I can see the appeal of the vette, but I would rather buy something else, so it's not for me. I think the rest of their line up is rather poor.

And just so I cover more than GM, Chrysler is there too. I really hate that car with green leafs (I think it's ford fusion)... they (leafs) increase in size as you drive more economically. :lol:

[Tsar]

seems like just the right time for lexus to offer their 200k dollar car :lol:
I thought it was a 350k+ car? :lol:

[FlyingDutchman]

Toyota will recall 270,000 Prius hybrid vehicles over brake problems in the United States and Japan, a report said Friday, while the beleaguered auto giant launched an investigation into possible problems with the brakes in its luxury Lexus hybrid.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Report-Toyota-to-recall-Prius-apf-2309413445.html?x=0

also ford is planning to recall 17,600 milans/fusions for software issue w/ brakes...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Ford-to-fix-brake-problem-on-apf-2395284869.html?x=0



yahoo!

[PolarBear]

also ford is planning to recall 17,600 milans/fusions for software issue w/ brakes...

SOFTWARE!?!?!?!?! What the hell:?: Do they expect a car to last forever that uses some form of electronics for braking? What happens when people buy them like 5th or 8th hand and they are dilapidated POS's and the electronics are on the way out. :scratch:

[BonzoHansen]

abs, traction control....

[Knipps]

I drove a lexus w/ magnetic brakes before, that was quite the experience... I couldn't imagine being in the car if those failed :shock:

[FlyingDutchman]

SOFTWARE!?!?!?!?! What the hell:?: Do they expect a car to last forever that uses some form of electronics for braking? What happens when people buy them like 5th or 8th hand and they are dilapidated POS's and the electronics are on the way out. :scratch:

Found in the article, between the transition from regenerative brakes to the conventional system it gives the driver the impression theres no brakes, but they are never without brakes, just feels like it in the pedal.

[Blacdout96]

I think that anything relating to hydraulic, should stay hydraulic, if the electronics cut out on the car, wtf can you do?

[BonzoHansen]

same thing you do in a regular car, steer & stop!

[LTb1ow]

same thing you do in a regular car, steer & stop!

Minus brakes and steering... right... :|

[BonzoHansen]

Minus brakes and steering... right... :|

?? unless the assumption is we moved to steer & brake by wire.

[Tsar]

Minus brakes and steering... right... :|

Stick it into neutral and cruise to a stop.. Worked for me :shrug:

[LTb1ow]

?? unless the assumption is we moved to steer & brake by wire.

Thats what I thought the assumption was.

[BonzoHansen]

oh, ok. i didn't since we are not there yet.

[Tsar]

Found in the article, between the transition from regenerative brakes to the conventional system it gives the driver the impression theres no brakes, but they are never without brakes, just feels like it in the pedal.

Dunno if it's true or not but from what I read it feels like there's a 1/2 second delay when you step on the brake, and people don't like that. If you smash it there is no delay though.

So I guess they will be adjusting software so it "feels" right.

[FlyingDutchman]

Dunno if it's true or not but from what I read it feels like there's a 1/2 second delay when you step on the brake, and people don't like that. If you smash it there is no delay though.

So I guess they will be adjusting software so it "feels" right.

yeah idk what the ford issue is, but this article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100205/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tec_toyota_car_electronics) talks about electronic contols and what not, interesting stuff... for the prius its in between swtiching gas/electric motors, although if you smash it you should have brakes.

[BonzoHansen]

Based on what I see on the public roads, most prius drivers suck at driving as it is. many cannot seem to effectively use the turn signals. My guess is driver error!

[LTb1ow]

Based on what I see on the public roads, most prius drivers suck at driving as it is. many cannot seem to effectively use the turn signals. My guess is driver error!

Biased toyota hate. :-?

[Tsar]

Based on what I see on the public roads, most drivers suck at driving as it is. many cannot seem to effectively use the turn signals. My guess is driver error!
Fixed it for you :mrgreen:

[BonzoHansen]

Biased toyota hate. :-?

No. Biased prius owner hate. Keep up. :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

That is odd, because the braking system doesnt change between gas and electric engine? The brakes are the same brakes...
In fact, regen brakes usually feel a lot more responsive because of the electric motors that are sucking up the energy. It feels almost too hard?
Thats what I felt in a few hybrid cars, from the Malibu, Fusion, Prius and even the Tahoe.

[NastyEllEssWon]

my ion has electric power steering. it cut out once going down the road and the car was steerable so i dont think thats a problem matt. i dont see why people just cant figure out the putting the car in neutral :?:

[BigAls87Z28]

Yeah, dont get it.
Ive now had two cars with electric steering. I remember the 04 Malibu's were having a problem with racks going bad.

[NastyEllEssWon]

yeah ive had the column in the ion replaced because it happened a few times. havent had a problem since

[Tru2Chevy]

Just saw my first "We are Toyota, we care about you - the consumer, happy Super Bowl Sunday" commercial.....

- Justin

[T69SS]

Just saw my first "We are Toyota, we care about you - the consumer, happy Super Bowl Sunday" commercial.....

- Justin

Basically begging for forgiveness :lol:

[Tru2Chevy]

Basically begging for forgiveness :lol:

Yup, I'm anticipating seeing a few dozen more over the next few hours.

- Justin

[T69SS]

Yup, im sure it will be on every 10th commercial or so lol

[BigAls87Z28]

But Hyundai is whoring the new Sonata like a bastard. Nice car, but its a lot bigger then the current model, and the chrome molding that goes from the headlight to the rear glass is a bit tacky IMO.
The powertrain and design are spot on. I'm glad to see someone move away from the V6. I think we will see that more and more now. BMW's even going to a turbo 4 to replace the base N/A 6cyl

[sweetbmxrider]

survival of the fittest is what i say!

[Tru2Chevy]

Ugh....they only invested in one commercial, and a bunch of airtime to keep replaying it over and over again.

- Justin