big oops toyota..

[Firebird92]

Yeah, they do. When people say "You can see the FAIL from space" they are the ones that verify it.
hhahhaha:rofl:

[sweetbmxrider]

:rofl: That job has a great benefits program I hear!

[BigAls87Z28]

Actually...NASA uses GM to make its robots..

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/feb/HQ_10-035_R2.html

So what the Government said is that Toyota owners are dumber then owners of every other car....in the world.

[Clutch Master]

GM doesn't get help from NASA :(

thats cause Obama and the goverment owns GM now...

[Frosty]

thats cause Obama and the goverment owns GM now...

What does that have to do with anything? :confused:

[Clutch Master]

if there was a "so called recall" with GM no one would have heard about it. Obama needs to get his money back from GM so they went after the company thats beating them.

[Frosty]

I despise Obama as much as the next guy(except for Al who wants to make sweet man love to him) but that theory is ridiculous. Do you really think the government would orchestrate a huge Toyota recall? Toyota did it in part, to save face. They also started recalling a large number of other vehicles completely unrelated to the throttle issue. Did the government make them do that too?

[Clutch Master]

I despise Obama as much as the next guy(except for Al who wants to make sweet man love to him) but that theory is ridiculous. Do you really think the government would orchestrate a huge Toyota recall? Toyota did it in part, to save face. They also started recalling a large number of other vehicles completely unrelated to the throttle issue. Did the government make them do that too?

Absolutely, it came out just about the time that toyota passed GM in sales. Toyota also saved face by recalling every little BS issue cause they were under a microscope... now is the goverment gonna give back all the money that toyota paid in fines.... HELL NO. also the company that made the toyota pedals was an american company that was also installed on ford and other companies but you never heard 5h1t about them, i wonder why???

[Frosty]

Toyota passed GM in sales before all that. It was before GM's bankruptcy as well(I think). Toyota got fined because they hid the problem and brushed it off. When people start dying people pay attention. I didn't hear about anyone dying while driving a Ford due to faulty throttle or pedals did you?

My first reaction was similar to yours....hmmm...the government has a huge stake in a car company, lets tarnish the competition but the more I thought about it the more it doesn't make sense. If Toyota slips it also hurts American workers.

[Clutch Master]

Toyota passed GM in sales before all that. It was before GM's bankruptcy as well(I think). Toyota got fined because they hid the problem and brushed it off. When people start dying people pay attention. I didn't hear about anyone dying while driving a Ford due to faulty throttle or pedals did you?

My first reaction was similar to yours....hmmm...the government has a huge stake in a car company, lets tarnish the competition but the more I thought about it the more it doesn't make sense. If Toyota slips it also hurts American workers.



It was after gm's bankruptcy, and as we can see now there was no problems. and also the people that died on the police reports there blood alcohol levels were above the legal limit and toyota knew this but saved face again and followed what the goverment wanted done.

all im saying is if it was gm with an issues like this it would not have been as big of an issue or circus show...

[Frosty]

So the people that died were drunk? Any actual proof?

[WildBillyT]

Toyota passed GM in sales before all that. It was before GM's bankruptcy as well(I think). Toyota got fined because they hid the problem and brushed it off. When people start dying people pay attention. I didn't hear about anyone dying while driving a Ford due to faulty throttle or pedals did you?



Exactly. They hid the problem. That's bad. When you do that, that will kick off the witch hunt.

[LS1Hawk]

all im saying is if it was gm with an issues like this it would not have been as big of an issue or circus show...

Woah. Welcome to planet Mars...I'll be over there in my space ship...Seriously, for the past 30 years the media has blown up every little issue about the Big 3. Think Pinto, Explorer, etc (not that those didn't deserve attention). But I guarantee if it were GM, the media frenzy would have been even greater than what it was for Toyota. Even though this report "clears" Toyota from electronic problems, it doesn't hide the fact they have some of the most shady and clandestine business practices.

[Clutch Master]

So the people that died were drunk? Any actual proof?

our dealer was told from toyota about it when this first came about.

[Frosty]

our dealer was told from toyota about it when this first came about.

:rofl: Right. So Toyota would divulge information to your dealership regarding information that would shield them from possible civil lawsuits? So Toyota Corporate and their legal team decided to let your dealership know that everyone was just drunk and that's why they crashed their cars? C'mon man. Why didn't Toyota come out and use that information to counter the growing ****storm that was surrounding their cars?

Sounds like someone at your dealership was making up stuff to feel important.

[Clutch Master]

:rofl: Right. So Toyota would divulge information to your dealership regarding information that would shield them from possible civil lawsuits? So Toyota Corporate and their legal team decided to let your dealership know that everyone was just drunk and that's why they crashed their cars? C'mon man. Why didn't Toyota come out and use that information to counter the growing ****storm that was surrounding their cars?

Sounds like someone at your dealership was making up stuff to feel important.



your right, im wrong. what was i thinking....

[Frosty]

I'm just saying, was there any actual proof these people were drunk?

[Clutch Master]

i dont personally have the accident reports but our dealer wasnt the only ones told about it.

[FlyingDutchman]

i dont personally have the accident reports but our dealer wasnt the only ones told about it.

Yeah that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard! Nobody in their right minds would recall 12 million cars because of drunk driving/user error (if that was truly the issue) LOL And if that's the rumor you want to believe, then what good came out of following 'what the goverment wanted done'? They not only lost sales galore and spent tons on recalls fixing nothing, but also paid the biggest fine for throwing stuff under the rug and getting caught.

You never heard anything about Toyota until this point because they were good about customer service and hiding things. But after the whole accident in CA and the media focusing on it Toyota underwent investigations and that's where all hell broke loose for them.

[Clutch Master]

personally i thought it was the greatest things for the techs cause we made A KILLING cause of the recalls so we just laughed all the way to the bank knowing there was nothing wrong...

[BigAls87Z28]

Yeah, nothing wrong. There were plenty of people that were not drunk, even some that have filmed it on youtube.
But I guess they were drunk too. It was all Obama, trying to bring down Toyota because they own GM. You figured it out. Toyota has quality issues all over the place. The throttle issue was just ONE issue. How about all the engine and trans failures on the Tundra? How about the delaminating doors on the Sienna? Or the cracked/twisted frames on FJ's? How about the rusting frames on Tacomas? Sludge motors? This is all within the last 10 years.
Toyota tried to become #1, and by doing that they cut corners and pushed for greater margins. It shows in all the new cars. Venza's interior is substandard to Toyotas of a decade ago. Corolla went down market and lost any advantage over the new batch of compacts it had.
Wont be another 3 years til Toyota starts to recover from this, thats if there is no other problem.

[FlyingDutchman]

personally i thought it was the greatest things for the techs cause we made A KILLING cause of the recalls so we just laughed all the way to the bank knowing there was nothing wrong...

Then why are you complaining? You clearly made out well along with GM because of the governments false accusations against Toyota LOL You should be thanking Obama and the NHTSA for keeping/creating jobs in America and offsetting the massive debt by stealing the wealth of Toyota haha

[quickkris2006]

fail!!!

[sweetbmxrider]

Moral of story: Drunk people make Toyota techs money.

[Clutch Master]

Moral of story: Drunk people make Toyota techs money.

Oh hell yeah!!

[Frosty]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110224/ap_on_re_us/us_toyota_recall

...and more.

Hopefully they can recall all of the drunk people too.

[LTb1ow]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110224/ap_on_re_us/us_toyota_recall

...and more.

Hopefully they can recall all of the drunk people too.

Thats just some conspiracy to attack all the foreign beer companys!

:rofl:

[91chevywt]

our dealer was told from toyota about it when this first came about.

Don't accept everything you're told as factual. It's easy for heresay to turn into "fact"



I've got some magic robes to sell you, that only the most knowledgable people can see...

[LS1Hawk]

None of this stuff matters. A Camry could eat a baby and people would still buy a Toyota because their uncle's wife's aunt's grandfather had a Ford that once stalled.

[WildBillyT]

None of this stuff matters. A Camry could eat a baby and people would still buy a Toyota because their uncle's wife's aunt's grandfather had a Ford that once stalled.

QFT.


In 1935, the first Toyota automobile engine was produced. The following year, Toyota’s first car, the Model A1, and first truck, the Model G1, were produced. These early Toyota vehicles were nearly duplicates of Chevrolet vehicles of the time. They copied the design of Chevrolet’s overhead 6 cylinder engine, gearbox, and chassis. In World War 2, allied forces that captured Toyota’s vehicles were able to repair them using Chevrolet parts.[1]


And this type of thing still continues to this day. Though not with cars.

[LS1Hawk]

That's really interesting information, Bill. I was never aware of that.

[88WS-6]

That Yahoo! article also stated that to date, Toyota has paid the government over $48 million in fines for selling faulty cars. And that's just this country, because they have recalled over 14 million cars worldwide.

Just a few of the reasons i refuse to buy foreign cars. Especially Toyotas.

~Matt

[BigAls87Z28]

That copy-cat stuff wasnt by accident...WE LET THEM HAVE IT!! We wanted to show off our technological and manufacturing dominance. Even AFTER WW2, we did it AGAIN and we helped rebuild Japan's industrial core.

[Frosty]

Even AFTER WW2, we did it AGAIN and we helped rebuild Japan's industrial core.

That we did.

[LTb1ow]

That copy-cat stuff wasnt by accident...WE LET THEM HAVE IT!! We wanted to show off our technological and manufacturing dominance. Even AFTER WW2, we did it AGAIN and we helped rebuild Japan's industrial core.

That we did.

Uh yea... that was right after we vaporized a good portion of their population and flattened two major cities... somehow I don't think the US govt was thinking of future competing car companies.

[Frosty]

Uh yea... that was right after we vaporized a good portion of their population and flattened two major cities... somehow I don't think the US govt was thinking of future competing car companies.

I never said they were worrying about car companies. Was just agreeing the GMboi that we helped rebuild Japan's industries.

[LTb1ow]

I never said they were worrying about car companies. Was just agreeing the GMboi that we helped rebuild Japan's industries.

Yup, so I included you to add weight to my post. :nod:

[Frosty]

I feel special now. :D

[qwikz28]

A little late to the party, but you guys hear about that Toyota AA they found in Russia a few years back? (http://www.transeum.com/museums/the-toyota-aa.html) Because of Toyota's copycat business, it was difficult to distinguish from a Chrysler Airflow and it took a while for its authenticity to be verified. More info here:
http://oldcarjunkie.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/toyota-aa-found/

And if you find that interesting, you should look up the VW38 that was found recently as well, although not really related to the convo at all. http://www.vw38.de/

[BigAls87Z28]

Uh yea... that was right after we vaporized a good portion of their population and flattened two major cities... somehow I don't think the US govt was thinking of future competing car companies.

Uh yeah, after they surprized buttsecks us at Pearl Harbor?
We helped rebuild German industry too, after they "removed" 11 million people from the gene pool. We can do this allll dayyy long, but that doesnt change a single thing. I just said that we helped them, thats all.

[LTb1ow]

We didn't give anything to the russians, poor russians :(

[BigAls87Z28]

They just took it.

[LS1Hawk]

Toyota faces new allegations over unintended acceleration: http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-faces-new-allegations-over-unintended-acceleration.html

[Frosty]

I wonder if the the people that filed the lawsuit really had issues or they're looking to cash in.

They could have been drunk too. :rofl:

[WildBillyT]

I wonder if the the people that filed the lawsuit really had issues or they're looking to cash in.

They could have been drunk too. :rofl:

IMO, before it was a question of culpability and avoiding blame.

Now, it's a typical USA witch hunt.

I'm a computer programmer. I know how code works. You do not need to examine all of the lines of code to a program to verify that a bug exists or not.

[LS1Hawk]

NASA, NHTSA reports clearing Toyota were influenced by automaker

According to the findings of the watchdog group, NASA actually identified “numerous failures in Toyota electronics that could lead to unwanted acceleration.” SRS goes on to make the direct claim that the reports issued by the government agencies were not only “narrowly construed examinations of limited vehicles and components,” but even going as far as to claim that the reports were “heavily influenced by Toyota and its experts, including Exponent [the agency Toyota hired as a third party to investigate the unintended acceleration issue].”

http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-nasa-nhtsa-reports-clearing-toyota-were-influenced-by-automaker.html

[maroman88]

70,500 Camrys, 116,000 Venzas, and 495,000 Tacomas recalled



http://toyotanewsroom.com/releases/toyota+voluntary+safety+recalls+certain+camry+venz a+tacoma+march12.htm?siteid=DMG_rss_201203_RLA_exp lan_toynew_Toyota+Announces+Voluntary+Safety+Recal ls+of+Certain+Camry%2C+Venza+and+Tacoma+Vehicles

[91chevywt]

I knew this thread would be back on the 1st page!

[Mark B]

I love this

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Why are they waiting until April to send first class mail to all owners to let them know about the recall....and then sending another one after that to say it's ready?

Why bother waiting for the first bunch of letters then? It's only March 8.

[FlyingDutchman]

TTT!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/toyota-recalls-760-000-rav4s-215230332--finance.html

760,000 2006-2011 RAV4s recalled along with 18,000 2010 Lexus HS 250hs for rear suspension issue where rust formation may lead to eventual separation of rear suspension arms. Currently there is no solution ...

[sweetbmxrider]

Been there, repaired that.

[MyFirstZ]

Rust seperation on a 2010 that's pretty impressive. Toyota learned how to quicken rust formation

[Mark B]

Theres another 7.4 million!!

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/10/10/toyota-to-recall-74-million-vehicles-over-power-window-glitch/

[maroman88]

LOL i meant to post that last one up the other night

[Mark B]

How can anyone still buy from them?

[WildBillyT]

Easy. They aren't American, so they must make good products.

[PolarBear]

Easy. They aren't American, so they must make good products.

ding ding ding

I keep telling people, Toyota is no better than GM or Ford anymore. Back in the like late 80 and early 90's maybe, but they have stepped up IMO. They are more dirtbag for trying to cover up the whole acceleration issue

[WildBillyT]

They are more dirtbag for trying to cover up the whole acceleration issue

Also a ding ding ding.

They looked like galactic ****heads for the acceleration deal, and I think they learned a lesson about American culture vs. Japanese/Asian culture. We don't stand for that ****. Hence, they have been above board with recalls ever since. Which begs the question about what was going on before.

As far as the import/domestic thing, that happens everywhere. Here Levis jeans are normal but not really designer or desired. Just regular stuff. In Japan they will fork over a fistful of yen for preworn, beat up American pants.

[PolarBear]

They looked like galactic ****heads for the acceleration deal, and I think they learned a lesson about American culture vs. Japanese/Asian culture. We don't stand for that ****. Hence, they have been above board with recalls ever since. Which begs the question about what was going on before.

Yet all the Toyota fanbois say how it is an American company now :rollseye:

[WildBillyT]

Yet all the Toyota fanbois say how it is an American company now :rollseye:

Different argument.

At the end of the day, the profit goes back to Tokyo. Just covering USA operating costs does not make it an American company.

[PolarBear]

At the end of the day, the profit goes back to Tokyo. Just covering USA operating costs does not make it an American company.

That is always my retort :-P

[Mark B]

Different argument.

At the end of the day, the profit goes back to Tokyo. Just covering USA operating costs does not make it an American company.

Not to mention all of the research, development & engineering. That all happens overseas.

[FlyingDutchman]

http://news.yahoo.com/toyota-recalls-vehicles-steering-pump-defects-064717609--finance.html

2.77 million more recalled over steering and water pump issues.

[Mark B]

Wow. Just wow.

[Tru2Chevy]

Keeping it alive, another million cars recalled today!

http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/30/autos/toyota-recall/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

870k Toyotas recalled for spider-related problem

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/870k-toyotas-recalled-for-spider-related-problem-173201464.html


best comment on yahoo: "So basically the car has a problem with web access and needs de-bugging? "


http://www.gritfx.com/cultureshock/images/design_fearspiders.gif

[ThoR294]

shame... my moms camry is a great car (2009)

[sweetbmxrider]

:lol: fuggin spiders. Usually find them in the evap hoses or filler neck vent line.

[1320B4U]

shame... my moms camry is a great car (2009)

My parents have an' 04 corolla (202k miles so far) and '05-06 rav4..no issues whatsoever. Worked for Toyota up until '01 (thru college) and they had a quality product w/very little defects back then. The dealership was joint w/vw and vw was half the car yota was back then in terms of reliablility and longevity. Can't comment on the new vehicles as I don't know about them any longer but as far as recalls, it appears toyota haven't been taking any chances on anything from the acceleration debockle and are issuing recalls quickly.

Gm has stepped up their game and is definitely an equal vehicle now-a-days however each vehicle can/does have its share of issues. My '03 is300 had a heated seat issue and headliner falling after 1000miles. My wife's '11 equinox had 2 sets of cam actuators/sensors, a reprogram on the ecu to fix the actuators issues (after mine was diagnosised...under campaign) . This was at after 6-7k miles and I just got it back from gm under warranty for a cracked exhaust manifold at 59k miles...so far the '12 Silverado has been fine for me after 13.5k miles. Bottom line, buy a car and hope for the best as they all can have issues.


http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv143/B1320B4U/manifold_zps3f80bf9b.jpeg (http://s678.photobucket.com/user/B1320B4U/media/manifold_zps3f80bf9b.jpeg.html)

[1320B4U]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-28/japan-s-quality-slips-as-camry-loses-consumer-reports-nod.html

[ThoR294]

I worked for Toyota for 4 years 2006 - 2010.... no complaints and nothing horrible. I wanted a v6 5speed Camry or a 6speed rolla as well....