Not this again.

[LS1ow]

Did you go TEA? I had no problems with advanced inductions when I had my 243 heads done by them.

Im going to end up goin TEA.

I reached out to AI, TEA, Texas speed and a few other small companies. TEA was not only the first to get back to me, but also seemed the most down to earth. AI took over 10 days to even get back to me about my question.

[KirkEvil]

It's been a week, where's the 'merica at?

[LS1ow]

It's been a week, where's the 'merica at?

http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67790


me and adam are trying to overcome the h8rs

[LS1ow]

New Fuel pump hot wire kit arrived today. One that i had gifted to me by the man with the beautiful smile was for a LT1 car, so the connectors were different.

Looks like it comes with an all new connector for the fuel pump hat itself, anyone experience this ?

[sweetbmxrider]

The bulkhead connector? Yeah its simple and pretty straight forward.

[LS1ow]

The bulkhead connector? Yeah its simple and pretty straight forward.

Seems like it.

Isn't that the connector I didn't want to change when we were first going over the fuel system? That you recommended I do? Adam 4; build 0

[sweetbmxrider]

Nah, doesn't sound like it :lol:

[LS1ow]

All aboard the neg train!

Got the new wiring and connector on the fuel pump from the new hot wire kit, got the pump back in the tank with a nice new seal, got the brandy new fuel tank straps in! All ready to get the tank in and the car back on the ground.

Nah.

I was met by 2 surprises.


1. It looks like the fuel line Ts off after the fuel filter and runs back to the tank area. Which port do I hook this to on the pump hat? Vent or return? This is odd to me Bc I assumed the "return" line would just be the hard line that runs up to the bay next to the supply line. And the "vent" line, I anticipated it to be ford style and be a plastic line that ran all the way back from the bay.

2. The previous owner was nice enough to remove the above mention lined like a human with a quick disco tool, so the quick connect is intact and perfect. HOWEVER, the supply line(pump to filter) is CUT. Does anyone have one laying around? Would it be wrong to do a braided line just from the tank to the fuel filter?

[The_Bishop]

If I remember right, that line that loops back to the tank is the one that runs to the fuel pressure regulator, and the regulator just dumps the excess fuel back into the tank.

[LS1ow]

If I remember right, that line that loops back to the tank is the one that runs to the fuel pressure regulator, and the regulator just dumps the excess fuel back into the tank.

Perfect, that should be the other outer nipple off the pump hat

[LS1ow]

so whats the deal with braided lines ?

[LTb1ow]

They usually are a mesh of braided stainless steel around a rubber or other plastic tube. Good for making racecar stuff more legitz.

[sweetbmxrider]

They suck to make :rofl:

[wretched73]

some more motivation for you...http://www.jwracing-fab.com/forumimages/Jason%20Lambert%202000%20Trans%20Am/Jason%20Lambert%20the%20start%20012.jpg

[LS1ow]

some more motivation for you...http://www.jwracing-fab.com/forumimages/Jason%20Lambert%202000%20Trans%20Am/Jason%20Lambert%20the%20start%20012.jpg

Looks way better than completely removing it like i did, and prob kept a tiny bit more structure.

Any more pics/a link to that build? Curious to see what other stuff he may have done.

[sweetbmxrider]

**** that, moar curious bout them twins....

[wretched73]

Ask and you shall recieve...

http://www.jwracing-fab.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=349&sid=c4f04ddd867c5c36fa540691f93baa85

Looks like he did end up taking them off anyway.

[LS1ow]

http://www.jwracing-fab.com/forumimages/Jason%20Lambert%202000%20Trans%20Am/Jason%20L%203%20040.jpg

this excites me

[LS1ow]

Race car snowball, is snowballing.

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag194/micbegls1/07671BE9-B051-44AF-8147-108283AEB522_zpsotq72ekp.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/micbegls1/media/07671BE9-B051-44AF-8147-108283AEB522_zpsotq72ekp.jpg.html)

Traded a UMI Strut bar ill never use and $75 for this. Complete with F body rails. Guy who had it before stuck some memory foam under the button on seat cover, and its honestly more comfy than i was anticipating.

[LS1ow]

Also,

Power steering pump, MSD Wires, Billet Fixed Belt Tensioner and K&N filter have arrived.

Also just got tracking number for the custom braided line i had made to replace the plastic line from pump to filter.

[Jersey Mike]

I'm assuming heads are already ordered, right Snowball?

[LS1ow]

I'm assuming heads are already ordered, right Snowball?

Nah, but truck manifold and V bands might be

[Jersey Mike]

Oh good! I've already seen this movie!

[LTb1ow]

Gonna be turbrooos???

[LS1ow]

Gonna be turbrooos???

Who knows at this point. Im pretty dead set on having the car ready for Racewars. Turbo build wouldn't allow that.

however, self destruction of 60e at racewars would lead to Not this Again, again.

[LS1ow]

Meziere Key Alert.

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag194/micbegls1/ED93DF87-64F9-4C09-84BB-8725B26DB4A1_zpsrwllo0wx.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/micbegls1/media/ED93DF87-64F9-4C09-84BB-8725B26DB4A1_zpsrwllo0wx.jpg.html)

[Blackbirdws6]

Meziere Key Alert.



That was a stretch but I got the reference. Another one....

[LS1ow]

That was a stretch but I got the reference. Another one....

Gunna be honest, no idea how "Meziere" is actually pronounced. So i took the chance.

[wretched73]

Meziere Key Alert.

https://static.superdeluxe.com/dankland/generators/me-after-taking-a-step-ou.jpg

[Jersey Mike]

Beard? Check.
Body type? Check.
Goofy laugh? Check.

seems legit.

[qwikz28]

Beard? Check.
Body type? Check.
Goofy laugh? Check.

seems legit.
https://68.media.tumblr.com/981674078ad593d8fa6653c19d581997/tumblr_orm33d44c91r0jlbgo2_250.gif

[LS1ow]

Braided line arrived today :nod:

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag194/micbegls1/4245D45B-789D-431F-88D4-97D4F59AE44B_zpsyt3k9tep.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/micbegls1/media/4245D45B-789D-431F-88D4-97D4F59AE44B_zpsyt3k9tep.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag194/micbegls1/350E5D9E-9349-4555-800B-4F38CC15BB12_zpscpov4p3i.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/micbegls1/media/350E5D9E-9349-4555-800B-4F38CC15BB12_zpscpov4p3i.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag194/micbegls1/9D8DC9AB-C426-4620-9789-AADA79935296_zpsejppwlcl.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/micbegls1/media/9D8DC9AB-C426-4620-9789-AADA79935296_zpsejppwlcl.jpg.html)

[Blackbirdws6]

Fancy AN tools arrive as well?

[LS1ow]

Fancy AN tools arrive as well?

No need, lines already assembled:nick:

[Blackbirdws6]

No need, lines already assembled:nick:

So you just gonna raw dog them when tightening? Got it. Blue tape on an adjustable wrench will be your best bet.

[LS1ow]

So you just gonna raw dog them when tightening? Got it. Blue tape on an adjustable wrench will be your best bet.

Oh I thought were talking about line assembly.

How bout some felt tape instead ? That'll do the trick ?

[Blackbirdws6]

Oh I thought were talking about line assembly.

How bout some felt tape instead ? That'll do the trick ?

Sounds fancy. Make sure to wear your velvet trousers when you do it.

[LTb1ow]

Blue painters tape works fine if your careful. I was able to do a few fittings with minimal damage to anodizing

[LS1ow]

Sounds fancy. Make sure to wear your velvet trousers when you do it.

using protection AND wearing pants? your asking for a lot bls.

[Blackbirdws6]

using protection AND wearing pants? your asking for a lot bls.

Mistakes happen without protection. :nick:

[Jersey Mike]

Mistakes happen without protection. :nick:

Life is all about choosing the right Emoji to cap your responses with.

[sweetbmxrider]

That is some sexy lines Mr Beggarz

[LS1ow]

All wiring for convertering M6 dash harness to A4 dash harness is done. I think:bertstare: for the most part. Need to connect the ran wires to the shifter plug, but i gotta mount the shifter itself. Which hopefully today that gets done.

Also if i can get one of my buddies to come by, ill be able to throw the clutch cyl block off plate on the firewall in. It bolts in with nuts and bolts, and i cant reach both sides to tighten it. :cry:

If that goes in, dash can go back in !8-)

[PolarBear]

and i cant reach both sides to tighten it. :cry:

Take the steering column out :wink:

[LS1ow]

Take the steering column out :wink:

It is out lol but i cant tighten the bolts from inside the car, and hold the nuts on the fire wall at the same time. Need another set of hands

[PolarBear]

It is out lol but i cant tighten the bolts from inside the car, and hold the nuts on the fire wall at the same time. Need another set of hands

You're not trying hard enough. :rofl: That's exactly what I did in my 3rd gen, all by myself :nod:

[wretched73]

just weld those nuts to the firewall

[LTb1ow]

Carriage bolts from firewall engine side in.

#hellaflush

[wretched73]

#custom #built #builtnotbought

[LS1ow]

Both block off plates are in.(Clutch Cyl and lonesome extra bolt hole for HVAC)

Shifter will have to wait till tmmr

[LS1ow]

Dash, Steering Column and Shifter are in.

2 more thing that need to be handled...

Saw this hanging out under the dash by the column, was only plugged in on 1 of the smaller connectors, so i removed it.

Any idea what it is/importance?

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag194/micbegls1/1B4A4BD0-CA94-4BCD-A5A9-53AD51FAF3AE_zpsxk1beoay.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/micbegls1/media/1B4A4BD0-CA94-4BCD-A5A9-53AD51FAF3AE_zpsxk1beoay.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag194/micbegls1/BCCAFCA6-47A3-473B-95C6-68EBFB04B5C4_zpszert6xfx.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/micbegls1/media/BCCAFCA6-47A3-473B-95C6-68EBFB04B5C4_zpszert6xfx.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag194/micbegls1/DC50AF18-E776-47BF-B6F7-A0602CBD7645_zps6saf9lee.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/micbegls1/media/DC50AF18-E776-47BF-B6F7-A0602CBD7645_zps6saf9lee.jpg.html)

[sweetbmxrider]

The one with blue tape is c250 for cruise control and the white one is c270 for clutch pedal position switch. So ya prob just manual trans shens you don't need now. Put it to the side for me :D

[LS1ow]

Next up is this section.

Obviously the yellow is for the airbag module, which is is gone so no use for that. But i am unsure of the others. Theres a light, which i thought would be thhe light for the shift pattern, but then i realized the a M6 harness, so there is no illuminated shift plate.

Any info?

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag194/micbegls1/5E02A148-061F-4E76-A9C7-599114899E86_zpsonp753x7.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/micbegls1/media/5E02A148-061F-4E76-A9C7-599114899E86_zpsonp753x7.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag194/micbegls1/6BE59D66-750D-40A9-879C-62FDA9FDE888_zps8wryphcj.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/micbegls1/media/6BE59D66-750D-40A9-879C-62FDA9FDE888_zps8wryphcj.jpg.html)

[LS1ow]

The one with blue tape is c250 for cruise control and the white one is c270 for clutch pedal position switch. So ya prob just manual trans shens you don't need now. Put it to the side for me :D

haha ill throw it in your pile

[sweetbmxrider]

I would ground the ground as its probably for multiple things. Light, center console?

[LS1ow]

I would ground the ground as its probably for multiple things. Light, center console?

Figured as much with the ground. The shifter plate itself a good enough thing to ground it to? Same for the shifter wiring.

I dont recall any of my cars having a center console light, but then again if they did it prob just was broken.

Also, seat belt buckle has a wire off it. Assuming this is only for either a warning light or a chime. Since car will eventually have harness instead of normal belts, is snipping the connector and connecting the 2 wires together acceptable here ?

[wretched73]

Run all grounds back to the battery

[sweetbmxrider]

Any good clean body ground works for me.

Maybe its for the shift pattern. I could swear my lt1 had a console light :-?

Send itttttttttt

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Console light meaning PRND21 lit up?

[LS1ow]

Console light meaning PRND21 lit up?

Thats what i first thought nick, but the car is a M6 car, so there wouldnt be a light on the harness for a PRND blind.

Is there a light in the ash tray or by the power outlet ?

[sweetbmxrider]

I just checked mine, no light in console. Guess it must be for autos, nothing else is light from what I saw.

[LS1ow]

or maybe is the bulb that is used to back lit the HVAC shens ?

[sweetbmxrider]

Maybe, lt1s use smaller bulbs. I think 74s, two of em.

[LS1ow]

Maybe, lt1s use smaller bulbs. I think 74s, two of em.

i coulda sworn it has 2 as well.

Were the heck is this thing from

[sweetbmxrider]

Your imagination

[BonzoHansen]

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/66700120.jpg

[LS1ow]

buddy with 6 speed car says theres a ashtray light. most likely culprit

[qwikz28]

I'm certain that's an ashtray light. I have the same one in my car.

[Blackbirdws6]

Yes, bulb in your hand is the ashtray light.

[LS1ow]

I'm certain that's an ashtray light. I have the same one in my car.

Yes, bulb in your hand is the ashtray light.

Only turns on when tray is opened im assuming ?

[Blackbirdws6]

Only turns on when tray is opened im assuming ?

No, goes on when you turn on headlights.

[LTb1ow]

When manifold is in danger it flashes too I hear

[LS1ow]

No, goes on when you turn on headlights.

Looks like I found out were I'm getting power for after market gauge illumination

[MDSheds_SS]

When manifold is in danger it flashes too I hear

This is hilarious

[LS1ow]

Any guesses?

Next time ill label things i promise

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag194/micbegls1/C21EC7C0-60E1-493F-8DC3-F370CED6FB94_zpstfydjt7c.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/micbegls1/media/C21EC7C0-60E1-493F-8DC3-F370CED6FB94_zpstfydjt7c.jpg.html)

[KirkEvil]

Seat belt?

[Jersey Mike]

Where is it? One of the 2 cigarette lighters?

[Blackbirdws6]

Seat belt?

I would guess the same.

[sweetbmxrider]

Yup, looks like seat belt and both cig lighters.

[LS1ow]

I didnt think passenger seat belts had any warnings?

theres 2 lighters ?!

[sweetbmxrider]

No, passenger doesn't. Ebrake switch?! I have two cig lighters, one next to ash tray and one in front of ebrake handle below cup holder.

[Blackbirdws6]

No, passenger doesn't. Ebrake switch?!

Think you are teh winnar. Forgot about that one.

[LS1ow]

E brake is sitting in a dumpster somewhere

[Jersey Mike]

Passenger side doesn't have any wiring, to my knowledge.
Again, the one you're holding likely slips over the [red?] Ebrake switch.
The two T-shaped connectors are for the power/cig outlets--One located in plain sight, to the right of the cubby hole/TCS plate; the other is further on the passenger side, beneath the secret cupholder.

[Blackbirdws6]

E brake is sitting in a dumpster somewhere

But how will you drift? Srs.

[sweetbmxrider]

:waits for hydro ebrake pics:

[BonzoHansen]

Big builders have been using these. (http://www.speedwaymotors.com/E-Stopp-Electric-Emergency-Brake-Kit,65217.html?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=SMI - EStopp (New) (Google) (Bing) (NB) (Legacy)&utm_term=electric e brake&utm_content=General)

[LS1ow]

But how will you drift? Srs.

:waits for hydro ebrake pics:

KirkEvil Spec'd motor and some 245s out back, you guys silly? I'm still gunna send it

[sweetbmxrider]

Today is gunna be a gooooood day

[LS1ow]

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.351593407.8649/raf,750x1000,075,t,fafafa:ca443f4786.jpg

[LS1ow]

Call my goons, that brand new choppa is coming soon


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4113/35569693232_7f116a267c_c.jpg

[Jersey Mike]

Tenth month of build, tenth time asking: Sent the heads out for porting yet?

[LS1ow]

Tenth month of build, tenth time asking: Sent the heads out for porting yet?

Nah, not gunna be able to in phase 1 of this mess. I budgeted stuff out last night and if I spend the $1100 on the heads, it would be cutting in real close. I'm pretty dead set on having the car at RW2K17, so I would like the car driving by late sept the latest so I have a month to tune and get it dialed in.

An extra $1100 spent were it doesn't "need" to be could be a killer. That money will be spent on converter and tires.

[Jersey Mike]

Oh, so you're going into the rental Cam-Only then?

[LS1ow]

Oh, so you're going into the rental Cam-Only then?

Unless people start crashing Audi's and my July commish check is fat, then yes. Can only :bertstare:

[Blackbirdws6]

Can only

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Cannolo_siciliano_with_chocolate_squares.jpg

[sweetbmxrider]

https://media.tenor.com/images/2fc0ac7216166b312808725557b95e8f/tenor.gif

Budget $200 for a spare 10 bolt :nick: I have a couple spare aluminum drive shafts too!

[LS1ow]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Cannolo_siciliano_with_chocolate_squares.jpg

Ain't even mad, just hungry.

https://media.tenor.com/images/2fc0ac7216166b312808725557b95e8f/tenor.gif


Budget $200 for a spare 10 bolt :nick: I have a couple spare aluminum drive shafts too!

And $300 for a spare 60e. Has anyone done a trans swap in the pits yet?

Btw do you really have spare aluminum DS? I need one!

[wretched73]

What are the details on the heads you want to sent out for porting? $1,100 is an obscene amount of money to spend on stock heads.

This is what's going on my LQ4
https://www.texas-speed.com/p-1173-prc-stage-25-lq9-cnc-ported-heads.aspx

[Jersey Mike]

What are the details on the heads you want to sent out for porting? $1,100 is an obscene amount of money to spend on stock heads.

This is what's going on my LQ4
https://www.texas-speed.com/p-1173-prc-stage-25-lq9-cnc-ported-heads.aspx
When is this happening?

[wretched73]

When is this happening?

I have the block back from the machine shop. I have everything I need for the bottom end. Just need to set aside the time to assemble.

I'll make a thread once I actually have everything and put it together.

[LS1ow]

What are the details on the heads you want to sent out for porting? $1,100 is an obscene amount of money to spend on stock heads.

This is what's going on my LQ4
https://www.texas-speed.com/p-1173-prc-stage-25-lq9-cnc-ported-heads.aspx


Correct me if im wrong, but those heads are just GM castings they CNC. If you supply your own casting to PRC you would save yourself about $400. I think TEA uses a hair larger valves, which is prob the reasoning for the hair better numbers.

https://www.texas-speed.com/p-1172-prc-cnc-porting-service-cathedral-port-heads-customer-supplied-castings.aspx



TEA: $1,1000

Lift Intake Exhaust
0.100 67 54
0.200 139 120
0.300 219 179
0.400 271 224
0.500 308 248
0.550 315 255
0.600 320 260

PRC: $950

Lift Intake Flow Exhaust Flow
.200" 147 cfm 114 cfm
.300" 209 cfm 152 cfm
.400" 258 cfm 191 cfm
.500" 294 cfm 207 cfm
.600" 316 cfm 226 cfm

[wretched73]

Correct me if im wrong, but those heads are just GM castings they CNC. If you supply your own casting to PRC you would save yourself about $400. I think TEA uses a hair larger valves, which is prob the reasoning for the hair better numbers.

https://www.texas-speed.com/p-1172-prc-cnc-porting-service-cathedral-port-heads-customer-supplied-castings.aspx



TEA: $1,1000

Lift Intake Exhaust
0.100 67 54
0.200 139 120
0.300 219 179
0.400 271 224
0.500 308 248
0.550 315 255
0.600 320 260

PRC: $950

Lift Intake Flow Exhaust Flow
.200" 147 cfm 114 cfm
.300" 209 cfm 152 cfm
.400" 258 cfm 191 cfm
.500" 294 cfm 207 cfm
.600" 316 cfm 226 cfm

Yes I believe you are correct. I have a set of 317's but I'm going to opt for the brand new GM castings that PRC uses. In my case, I know the original motor was overheated- so after spending ~$3k in a rotating assembly and ~$1k in machine work, I'd rather have the peace of mind of brand new GM castings

[LS1ow]

Yes I believe you are correct. I have a set of 317's but I'm going to opt for the brand new GM castings that PRC uses. In my case, I know the original motor was overheated- so after spending ~$3k in a rotating assembly and ~$1k in machine work, I'd rather have the peace of mind of brand new GM castings

In a situation like that then yeah if definitely makes sense to go with new then lol

[wretched73]

In a situation like that then yeah if definitely makes sense to go with new then lol

IDK how much you have in those heads already, Just didn't want to see you spend $1,100+, when you might be able to get a better deal buying something new.

[LS1ow]

IDK how much you have in those heads already, Just didn't want to see you spend $1,100+, when you might be able to get a better deal buying something new.

I forget how much i paid for them but cheaper than the normal going rate for 243, i think i got em for $250. I see them go for mostly $350-$400.

so $250 for the heads and another $250 for a BTR spring kit with Ti retainers

[KirkEvil]

IDK how much you have in those heads already, Just didn't want to see you spend $1,100+, when you might be able to get a better deal buying something new.

Tea replaces the valves, guides, full Valvetrain, and Cnc inside and out on heads so given all the threads are intact it makes more sense to send them cheaper used cores than to buy new.

243>317 heads for N/A ls1/2 considering the milling potential to optimize compression

[wretched73]

Tea replaces the valves, guides, full Valvetrain, and Cnc inside and out on heads so given all the threads are intact it makes more sense to send them cheaper used cores than to buy new.

243>317 heads for N/A ls1/2 considering the milling potential to optimize compression

Stock LS1 has 10.1 compression ratio with 68 cc chamber IIRC?

The 317's can be milled down to 65 cc chamber.

Then he'd need a cathedral port intake manifold.

Not saying the 317s would be a better choice. I was just trying to point out that he might be able to find new cast heads for a good deal. Again, not necessarily cheaper than the route he is planning on, but IMO it gives more piece of mind.


Either way, get that motor in the car. Duke island is right around the corner

[KirkEvil]

LS1, stock 241 head ~67cc, stock .051" HG = 10.35:1scr
LS1, stock 243 head ~64cc, stock .051" HG = 10.73:1scr

Stock head gaskets are .051" to help with emissions to get a more complete burn of the charge. Going to .040" gaskets is best for a stock motor IMO to balance quench and clearance of pistons OOTH, then work out the chamber size to best fit DCR for your desired cam timing and fuel.

LS1, 72cc 317 head MAX milled to 65cc, .040" HG = 10.60:1 scr
LS1, 64cc 243 head milled to 62cc, .040" HG = 11.32:1 scr/ 8.77:1dcr (for Sir Beggs cam choice and 93 pump)

So with the 317 heads you would be leaving ~0.7:1 compression on the table. The rule of thumb for compression is ~5% per full point of compression, so 0.7:1 = 3.5%, and assuming ~450hp crank thats about 16hp. Plus the peace of mind that your heads are not milled thin and ready to give you a piece of their mind. Given you could still do some tricks with installed ICL or adding timing to make up some of the compression difference, but y?

[LS1ow]

https://i.imgflip.com/1s2rce.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/1s2rce)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

[LS1ow]

Then he'd need a cathedral port intake manifold.



I has. My Fast setup is a cathedral port. I wish it was LS3 top end.

[wretched73]

Not saying the 317s would be a better choice. I was just trying to point out that he might be able to find new cast heads for a good deal. Again, not necessarily cheaper than the route he is planning on, but IMO it gives more piece of mind.

:horse:

[KirkEvil]

Even that horse would choose 243s

[sweetbmxrider]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/000/522/Roflcopter.gif

[LS1ow]

Timing cover, Oil pump, Cam retainer plate bolts all reusable or they torque to trash

[PolarBear]

Timing cover is definitely reusable, I would think the oil pump is too since the torque spec is pretty low. Not positive about the cam plate, but I would think that one would also

[LTb1ow]

if you torque them higher than what they had before, they are brand new tty bolts.

#logical

[LS1ow]

Tracking number for boomstick hasnt changed at all since yesterday, so it looks like i wont be getting it for the weekend.


on a side note, when replacing new front seal, any special tools needed to seat the seal?

[LS1ow]

Does it make sense to throw the cam in prior to having to spin the motor upside down to do the rod bolts? Or should i just wait it out and do the cam after the rod bolts.

[V]

If heads are on, do the cam with the motor flipped upside down. That way the liters have no chance of dropping down. I did it all that way and then did my rod bolts on my crate ls6.

[The_Bishop]

if you torque them higher than what they had before, they are brand new tty bolts.

#logical

This legit made me spit my lunch all over my keyboard.

[LS1ow]

Question:

Safe to clean oil pan and pan bolts on standard parts washer?

[LTb1ow]

Why not?

[LS1ow]

Why not?

Wasn't sure if maybe to harsh of a chemical for the soft metal

[LS1ow]

Chugga Chugga here comes the fail train


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[wretched73]

Send it.

[LS1ow]

gunna be a gooood daaaaay

[sweetbmxrider]

Like that oil catch :nod:

[Blackbirdws6]

Did we burnish?

[LS1ow]

Like that oil catch :nod:

aka the floor

Did we burnish?


rod bolts should be here today

[Blackbirdws6]

rod bolts should be here today

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[sweetbmxrider]

Na the urban camo part 8-)

[Jersey Mike]

No Affliction hydrodipping? Where's the glitter? Nothing is pink? Rogue lives matter!!!!

[LS1ow]

No Affliction hydrodipping? Where's the glitter? Nothing is pink? Rogue lives matter!!!!

Oh you just wait my friend. :usa:

[LS1ow]

Rod bolts, cam retainer bolts and bucket o' ARP assembly lube arrived today so tmmr things should start to get dangerous.

However, no specs included with ARP rod bolts. Whatgivesbro.avi. I've seen before to go 40ft/lb-loosen-40ft/lbs-loosen and then a 3rd and final 40ft/lb torque. But I've also seen the same process with 45ft/lb. They are the 134-6006 bolts.

[LTb1ow]

Just the master burnisher

[V]

http://arpinstructions.com/instructions/134-6006.pdf

[KirkEvil]

3 passes of 40 ft lbs and use the arp lube on both the bolt threads and under the head where it contacts the cap

[LS1ow]

3 passes of 40 ft lbs and use the arp lube on both the bolt threads and under the head where it contacts the cap

Apply lube like the same amount I would locktite? More or less ?

[Blackbirdws6]

I'd say more than loctite but don't go too crazy.

[LTb1ow]

A tube of it per bolt is the recommended process

[sweetbmxrider]

I'd go the diameter of the bolt head and taper it down like 30 thou.

[KirkEvil]

The rod bolts are partial threaded ~20mm, you should have enough lube in the supplied packet to put a light coat on the full thread for all bolts

[LS1ow]

i will ration accordingly.


Looking at what Paul posted, it states resize rods.

YOLO it and skip that step?

[ar0ck]

All the lube, just dump it in there.

[wretched73]

i will ration accordingly.


Looking at what Paul posted, it states resize rods.

YOLO it and skip that step?

Yes YOLO and skip.

Why are you replacing rod bolts anyway?

[PolarBear]

Why are you replacing rod bolts anyway?

I would assume he wants all the RPMs

[LS1ow]

Yes YOLO and skip.

Why are you replacing rod bolts anyway?

I would assume he wants all the RPMs

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[V]

I did the arp bolts on a new crate ls6. Rods never came out. Never had any issues.

[FlyingDutchman]

i will ration accordingly.


Looking at what Paul posted, it states resize rods.

YOLO it and skip that step?

I resized my rods when I swapped to ARP. It was $112 IIRC. I wouldn't skip it personally, it's better to be sure they are round and not distorted trying to remove the old ones or different torque spec/fastener stretch. That price included removing old bolts, checking/cleaning, and installing new bolts. Sure you could skip the step and it'll run, but eventually it'll probably wear the bearings out.

[V]

If its only around 112, it is probably a good idea.

[LS1ow]

To late. Rods bolts are in.


Cmon guys, we all know that this bottom end isn't going to last long enough to wear anything down.

[sweetbmxrider]

We all know this bottom end isn't going to go

[Jersey Mike]

Please be nice to it

[LS1ow]

Wasnt that bad honestly. I was pretty nervous about tinkering with it but it was simple. biggest pain was getting the ferrells on the stock rod bolts out. 0 of 16 came out without trouble lol i would just slide the stock rod bolt back in enough that it grabbed on the ferrell but not enough to be threaded. Then a few yanks on the bolt using vice grips.

Coated full threading of bolt and a bit under each head.

-40ft/lb
-Loosen
-40ft/lb
-Loosen
-40ft/lb

40 seems not that tight, but i guess the leverage of a 24" Torque wrench just makes it seem that way.

[LS1ow]

forgot to order new cam retainer plate. :facepalm:

[LS1ow]

With the engine being essentailly completed this week, ive composed a scratch list of what else ill be needing to finish the car. So if anyone has any of it for sale, or know of any good deals, post em up.

-Headers+ header gaskets + bolts (most likely going new 1 7/8th TSP race headers)

-Exhaust (may honestly just run catless Y to a bullet muffler and a dump)

-are FAST intake gaskets reusable? if not, FAST intake gaskets

-Throttle Postion Sensor and IAC

-Torque Converter (buying new)

-MAF to TB Boot + 3 to 5 pin MAF harness

-Engine to trans bolts

-Trans X member Bolts

-Battery + Cables (new)

-Power Steering pump pulley + lines

-Spark Plugs (obviously new, not sure which ones)

-Hardware for PCM mount

-Hardware for Lid/Rad cover

-Catch Can

-Front Coilovers

[LTb1ow]

What kind of catch can? Dumped breather or recirc?

[LS1ow]

Recirc.

You gots?

[LTb1ow]

Nein, Just a puke tank setup

[LS1ow]

I dont think a puke tank set up will work.

I have the passenger Valve cover vented via filter in place of oil cap.

drive valve cover vented via filter off nipple.

and ls6 valley cover.

[sweetbmxrider]

I have pacesetters that I chopped part of the ends off :lol: You can have the y with the chopped parts too! :rofl:

I have a rigged as **** loudmouth but I think I'm putting it on the formula :-?

I'll look around for bolts, might have trans to motor

[sweetbmxrider]

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/pts/d/camaro-exhaust/6220999854.html

1 3/4 doe :-|

[LS1ow]

Progression is progressing.

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[Blackbirdws6]

looks like you are having fun.

[sweetbmxrider]

Nice negative camber bro

[PolarBear]

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Are those lowering coils with the bottom coils just being locators/compression? They are almost in bind and there is no weight on them

[LS1ow]

Are those lowering coils with the bottom coils just being locators/compression? They are almost in bind and there is no weight on them

They are some form of lowering springs. Im not sure which, i honestly never cared much due to swapping to coil overs lol

[LS1ow]

Made it this far before i realized i didnt have any locktite for the cam bracket. oh well. Today is another day.

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[LS1ow]

Just to run down real quick before I ruin anything else.

Cam retaining bracket bolts(x4) - 18ft lbs
Cam shaft timing gear bolts(x3) - 25ft lbs(ARP not stock)
Oil Pump to block(x4)- 18ft lbs
Oil Baffle in pan(x8) - 18ft lbs
Oil pick up to to pump(X1) 106in Lbs. (not 18ft lbs as you'll see tmmr)
Oil pan M8 bolts- 18ft Lbs
Oil pan M6 bolts- 106in lbs
Timing cover- 18ft Lbs


Lock tight on any of it other than the cam retainer?

[qwikz28]

Can't help you with anything helpful, but pretty sure those are Eibach Sportline lowering springs.

[LS1ow]

Can't help you with anything helpful, but pretty sure those are Eibach Sportline lowering springs.

I was at my garage for hours yesterday and never even checked. Today i will.

[LS1ow]

Cam ready to go in, applied some assembly lube since it wont be starting for a few weeks.

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Choppa in its new home.

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New cam retainer plate and timing chain

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bcracecar oil pump

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Ready to rock up front now !

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Now bring on the failure !

[LS1ow]

Honestly i lucked out on this one, and i prob should have double checked the info. Would have saved me this headache.

Turns out the M6 bolt for the oil tube is not the same torque as the M8 :|:facepalm:

-Fancy New oil pump with snapped off bolt inside :mrgreen:

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Lucky for me, it threads threw the bottom.

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so after a few minutes of struggling with chubby hands and small pliers

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[sweetbmxrider]

Lucky save :lol:

[wretched73]

good news now is, you'll double or triple check torque spec on every bolt :)

[Jersey Mike]

Lucked out for once.

[LS1ow]

New bolt just got dropped off from chevy. going to reattempt tonight. And throw the pan on as well.

[LS1ow]

No pics this update, but bottom end is completed. and Engine mounts are on. Opted for those new lightweight UMI pieces.

Thinking of POR15ing the block just to make it look nicer, any opinions?

[Blackbirdws6]

No pics this update, but bottom end is completed. and Engine mounts are on. Opted for those new lightweight UMI pieces.

Thinking of POR15ing the block just to make it look nicer, any opinions?

Opinions on making it look nicer? Why wouldn't you want it to look nicer? Do it.

[sweetbmxrider]

Por15 makes red, white, and blue coatings?

[LS1ow]

Opinions on making it look nicer? Why wouldn't you want it to look nicer? Do it.

Good call BLS.

Por15 makes red, white, and blue coatings?

just you wait son

[PolarBear]

Opinions on making it look nicer? Why wouldn't you want it to look nicer? Do it.

Some people like the thrown-together, ****-box look

[Blackbirdws6]

Some people like the thrown-together, ****-box look

I see the appeal but based on the pics, the car is far from a rat rod.

[LS1ow]

Some people like the thrown-together, ****-box look

I wouldnt really consider a clean block thats just not painted black "thrown together ****"

[PolarBear]

I wouldnt really consider a clean block thats just not painted black "thrown together ****"

I wasn't meaning you do :wink: I can't see your pictures either so I don't know all thats going on, lol

[LS1ow]

Block is coated, timing cover torqued down, and EWP installed.

Bottom end is DONE.



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[LS1ow]

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[PolarBear]

That's a shame to cover up

[LS1ow]

That's a shame to cover up

I know :(

I didn't realize just how big the EWP is lol oh well.

[PolarBear]

I know :(

I didn't realize just how big the EWP is lol oh well.

Plus the TB is going to further cover that area.

I figured you were going to paint the block all fancy colors

[LS1ow]

Plus the TB is going to further cover that area.

I figured you were going to paint the block all fancy colors

Ive been good with the crazy colors so far. Even so much as ordered all my suspension goodies in black !

[ar0ck]

Continue the theme on the valve covers & intake!

[Blackbirdws6]

You need a YouTube channel. Make all the monies.

[LS1ow]

You need a YouTube channel. Make all the monies.

Red White & Beard?

[LS1ow]

Continue the theme on the valve covers & intake!

Thought about doing the same thing as i did to the LS6 with the fast, but opted against. The fast is very very "wrinkley" so tape lines would be a night mare.

[sweetbmxrider]

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On your pulleys!!!!

[Blackbirdws6]

Red White & Beard?

You would give Cleetus a real run for his money.

[Jersey Mike]

Thought about doing the same thing as i did to the LS6 with the fast, but opted against. The fast is very very "wrinkley" so tape lines would be a night mare.

Read somewhere that water transfer design options extend beyond Affliction graphics.

Just hit up KB Motorsports to see what it would cost

[Featherburner]

You would give Cleetus a real run for his money.LOL, do it for Dale!